13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[guest2181]

Not even a twinkle in the eye? Surely it must spark a memory?

Okay, that's enough now. 

[maggie]

Okay, that's enough now. 

Lights out    night

[guest2181]

Lights out    night

Night night  :D

[mike tesko]

The bag was cut open and resealed because the items were fingerprinted.

The rest of your post warrants no response, 25 casings were fired by the Anschutz which means 25 bullets had to have been fired by the Anschutz.  15 of the 25 had rifling marks indicating they were fired by the Anschutz.  They didn't have to do any chemical composition tests to figure out the other 10 came from the Anschutz. I already dealt with your ridiculous follow marks nonsense. 

Your conspriacy claims have no leg to stand on at all.

Many of the bullet cases which ended up at the lab' had not in fact already been fingerprinted, since not all were found to be coated in the white residue from super glue treatment. These details relating to which indidual cartridge cases had a presence of the all important white residue or not, are recorded in the 25 individual 'GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS' completed at the lab' upon arrival / examination of the same. Those cartridge cases without such as a tiny trace of white residue upon them (and as I say, there were many of them) suggests in the clearest possible terms that such cartridge cases cannot have been fingerprinted prior to the arrival at the lab' for the first time. I believe I am right in saying that these non risidual cartridge cases were not the original ones recovered from the scene. It would have been or was relatively easy to swap over cartridge cases belonging to use with a different weapon, than the anshuzt rifle, and simply replace those with test control fired cartridge cases which were later fired in the anshuzt rifle during an unofficial test firing of the anshuzt rifle, parker hale sound moderator, and a batch of .22 ammunition cartridges cases.You would simply only need to remove as many as 14 cartridge cases, keep them separate (MDF/100), and replace them with test fired cartridge cases fired through the anshuzt rifle, and 'hey presto' you end up with, what they ended up with. You end up with some cartridge cases in this batch of crime scene ammunition not having white residue from superglue treatment on them because as many as 14 if them had been switched later to give a general impression that a did afferent gun must have been used during the shootings.In my opinion it is not enough to simply say that because the current batch of cartridge cases had all been fired via the anshuzt rifle, that all of this collection was fired during the shooting incident, because it does not..,

[scipio_usmc]

Exactly Patti, Hartley, think quite a few stated the light above the main door was on and we have o believe that was the window above the front door, not the light in the front door porch.

Have to believe it was the sewing room window why?  The two members in question were looking for a way in the house so much more apt to be looking at the ground level and the light they were talking about appeared to be an outside light not a window light.  Mildinhall said the only upper floor light on was the master bedroom.  The same people who mentioned the light above the door neglected to mention the bedroom window light being on.  The natural reading of it would be the porch light.

 

[scipio_usmc]

Many of the bullet cases which ended up at the lab' had not in fact already been fingerprinted, since not all were found to be coated in the white residue from super glue treatment. These details relating to which indidual cartridge cases had a presence of the all important white residue or not, are recorded in the 25 individual 'GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS' completed at the lab' upon arrival / examination of the same. Those cartridge cases without such as a tiny trace of white residue upon them (and as I say, there were many of them) suggests in the clearest possible terms that such cartridge cases cannot have been fingerprinted prior to the arrival at the lab' for the first time. I believe I am right in saying that these non risidual cartridge cases were not the original ones recovered from the scene. It would have been or was relatively easy to swap over cartridge cases belonging to use with a different weapon, than the anshuzt rifle, and simply replace those with test control fired cartridge cases which were later fired in the anshuzt rifle during an unofficial test firing of the anshuzt rifle, parker hale sound moderator, and a batch of .22 ammunition cartridges cases.You would simply only need to remove as many as 14 cartridge cases, keep them separate (MDF/100), and replace them with test fired cartridge cases fired through the anshuzt rifle, and 'hey presto' you end up with, what they ended up with. You end up with some cartridge cases in this batch of crime scene ammunition not having white residue from superglue treatment on them because as many as 14 if them had been switched later to give a general impression that a did afferent gun must have been used during the shootings.In my opinion it is not enough to simply say that because the current batch of cartridge cases had all been fired via the anshuzt rifle, that all of this collection was fired during the shooting incident, because it does not..,

A white coating doesn't coat everything it adheres to oils from the fingers and other materials that get on metal.  I showed you a gun and how the entire gun wasn't white afterwards.  You just keep ignoring reality in order to then claim anything you feel like.  Making things up though accomplishes nothing unless you find someone who fell of the back of a cabbage truck but such people hold no sway over Jeremy's future.   

[mike tesko]

A white coating doesn't coat everything it adheres to oils from the fingers and other materials that get on metal.  I showed you a gun and how the entire gun wasn't white afterwards.  You just keep ignoring reality in order to then claim anything you feel like.  Making things up though accomplishes nothing unless you find someone who fell of the back of a cabbage truck but such people hold no sway over Jeremy's future.   

When an object is exposed to cynoacrylate fume treatment, all of the objects surface gets coated with the superglue residue, so I think you must have been one of those people who have fallen off the back of a lorry, as you put it, if not climb back up and fall off again...

[maggie]

Have to believe it was the sewing room window why?  The two members in question were looking for a way in the house so much more apt to be looking at the ground level and the light they were talking about appeared to be an outside light not a window light.  Mildinhall said the only upper floor light on was the master bedroom.  The same people who mentioned the light above the door neglected to mention the bedroom window light being on.  The natural reading of it would be the porch light.

 

I do beg your pardon Scipio  I will revise my sentence from 'have to believe' to 'It possibly was' do hope you're happy with that. Of course you never, ever state a possibility as a definite....... yawn.

[Patti]

Have to believe it was the sewing room window why?  The two members in question were looking for a way in the house so much more apt to be looking at the ground level and the light they were talking about appeared to be an outside light not a window light.  Mildinhall said the only upper floor light on was the master bedroom.  The same people who mentioned the light above the door neglected to mention the bedroom window light being on.  The natural reading of it would be the porch light.

 

The light in the porch at the front of the house has to be turned on and off from inside the house.  If the porch light was on and the main bedroom plus light shining through the needle work room, this suggest that the front of the house was well lit up...but no one says this.

At 4am when Bews Mayall and Bamber go for a walk around the house there is no mention of any lights on at the front of the house with the possible exception of light coming through the needlework room.

At 6am when Collins and Delgardo  did their check and both say a light was on above the door at the front of the house.  This light you referred to as being the kitchen light, but since we have established that there was no light above the kitchen door, they must have been referring to the light above the main front door.  We now know there is a light in the porch, but this has to be turned on and off from the inside.  Note that Bews and Mayall did not report that light being on in the porch and neither did Mildinhall who was stationed on the red side.  So we are left with the possibility that the light Collins and Delgardo were describing was the needlework room which is directly above the front door.  If they are factually saying it was the porch light then it was not on at 4am, was on at 6am and not on when Mildinhall was there at 6:30 this scenario can suggest that there was someone alive in the house. Personally I think Collins and Delgardo made a mistake and it was the landing light shining through the needlework room. Neither of them reported the light on in the main bedroom and I do not think Bews and Myall did either. 

[guest2181]

It's funny how Collins and Delgado's statements about the lights are almost word for word identical.

Would you describe the porch light as being directly above the front door?

[Patti]

It's funny how Collins and Delgado's statements about the lights are almost word for word identical.

Would you describe the porch light as being directly above the front door?

I noticed that too Hartley.

Yes you can see the light on the photo's in the archives. If you look at the one where the funeral directors are loading the car you can see the light more clearly.

[guest2181]

I noticed that too Hartley.

Yes you can see the light on the photo's in the archives. If you look at the one where the funeral directors are loading the car you can see the light more clearly.

Yes I know where it is.

I was asking if you would refer to it as being directly above the main door, or would you refer to it as the porch light, or maybe the outside light?

In normal conversation I mean.

[guest2181]

Yes I know where it is.

I was asking if you would refer to it as being directly above the main door, or would you refer to it as the porch light, or maybe the outside light?

In normal conversation I mean.

Mildenhall describes the needlework room window as being 'DIRECTLY' above the front door.

[Patti]

Yes I know where it is.

I was asking if you would refer to it as being directly above the main door, or would you refer to it as the porch light, or maybe the outside light?

In normal conversation I mean.

I would describe it as being an outside light above the main door.

[maggie]

It's funny how Collins and Delgado's statements about the lights are almost word for word identical.

Would you describe the porch light as being directly above the front door?

I think it's difficult to know how others may or not describe it but I would think it would be the window as well. The porch light is just that imo.