13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

There were only 2 bullets.  Saying PV/20 was misweighed by the lab means nothing- it's exact weight is not importan.  There was only 1 PV/20 bullet, it was shaped like in the xray and had rifling marks proving it was fired by the Anschutz in addition to the casing proving it was fired by the Anschutz.  The difference in weight is slight and it makes no difference at all which is the correct weight.  You are trying to make something out of nothing.

WRONG AGAIN, there were clearly two differently weighted examples of bullet PV/20, a photograph of each, not identical in any way, and one weighing, 1.714579g, the other 1.544158g, so you can bleat all you like, the truth is there for all to see. Nobody has mis-weighed anything, only you in your head, you refuse to accept the truth even when two versions of the same bullet are presented to you to comment upon...

[mike tesko]

None of the 25 cartridge cases were matched scientifically or ballistically to any of the 26 bullets...

And that is a fact...

[scipio_usmc]

WRONG AGAIN, there were clearly two differently weighted examples of bullet PV/20, a photograph of each, not identical in any way, and one weighing, 1.714579g, the other 1.544158g, so you can bleat all you like, the truth is there for all to see. Nobody has mis-weighed anything, only you in your head, you refuse to accept the truth even when two versions of the same bullet are presented to you to comment upon...

No doubt this is just like the photo of Sheila in the kitchen and photo of her on the bed that you claim to have seen though they don't exist.  There was only 1 PV/20.  Pretending otherwise just illustrates you are resorting to dishonesty to try to pretend Jeremy is innocent because you have nothing valid to raise to establish he actually is innocent.

[mike tesko]

No doubt this is just like the photo of Sheila in the kitchen and photo of her on the bed that you claim to have seen though they don't exist.  There was only 1 PV/20.  Pretending otherwise just illustrates you are resorting to dishonesty to try to pretend Jeremy is innocent because you have nothing valid to raise to establish he actually is innocent.

You believe what you want to believe by ignoring the evidence...

[scipio_usmc]

You believe what you want to believe by ignoring the evidence...

I'm following the evidence unlike you.  There were twentyfive 22LR casings, 25 bullet wounds, fragments from twentyfive 22LR bullets, the wounds were consiseten with 22LR wounds, the casings were all fired by the Anschutz so ZERO evidence of any other gun being used let alone a different claiber weapon used for some of the wounds. 

You have no evidence of any casings or bullets being swapped you just make up the allegations from whole cloth.  There is no evidence regarding other weapons being used for me to ignore.  You are just making unsupported allegations not posting evidence.

 

[mike tesko]

There were not 25  x .22LR bullets found at the scene or recovered from the bodies of victims, some were the remnants of .22 LR ammunition, others were described by the ballistic expert, Fletcher, as merely .22 bullets, and in at least one instance, he referred to one as "a bullet"...

[scipio_usmc]

There were not 25  x .22LR bullets found at the scene or recovered from the bodies of victims, some were the remnants of .22 LR ammunition, others were described by the ballistic expert, Fletcher, as merely .22 bullets, and in at least one instance, he referred to one as "a bullet"...

Here again is what I wrote: "There were twentyfive 22LR casings, 25 bullet wounds, fragments from twentyfive 22LR bullets, the wounds were consiseten with 22LR wounds, the casings were all fired by the Anschutz so ZERO evidence of any other gun being used let alone a different claiber weapon used for some of the wounds." 

[mike tesko]

None of the 25 bullets or part bullets were scientifically linked to any of the 25 cartridge cases that 'eventually' formed part of the so called batch of crime scene ammunition. What I mean by that / this, is that crimping marks made during them manufacturing stage found present on the casings were absent or different on the base lines of the 25 bullets / part bullets. Furthermore, the chemical composition of the residual charge inside these cartridge cases were not matched, or were different in the bullets. This was /is totally unsatisfactory, since there is no way of telling whether or not any of the 25 bullets that form part of the crime scene batch (in existence from 20th September 1985, onward) were fired via the anshuzt rifle at one and the same time.  I do not believe it to be sufficient for anyone to rely upon the notion that just because each of the 25 cartridge cases have got many identifying marks upon them linking them to the ammunition magazine, and the extracter / ejection mechanism of the anshuzt rifle, that anyone can be certain that any of these 25 cartridge cases were loaded and fired from the anshuzt rifle at the time of the murders, since they could have been fired later from the anshuzt rifle, lets for argument sake say during unreported test firing of the anshuzt rifle, which we now know did take place using previously unfired rounds of Eley .22 type ammunition? We know that not one single follower mark was found on any single cartridge case in the final batch of these cartridge cases, which raises strong suspicion that these 25 cartridge cases which formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition from 20th September 1985, onward, could quite easily have been swapped over, with a view of trying to present a misleading case for these shootings to have been the result of a one gun crime, when it had not been. I cannot for the life of me believe that the authorities have got away with making this case into a one gun crime simply by presenting 25 cartridge cases which at one time or another had been fired via the anshuzt rifle, without a single example of a single bullet having been linked or matched up with or too any of the 25 cartridge cases, by reliance upon manufacturers crimping marks, and lack of matching residues between any bullet or case..

It should also be noted, that upon reception at the Lab' the packaging of these crime scene exhibits had been cut open and resealed with cellotape...

[scipio_usmc]

None of the 25 bullets or part bullets were scientifically linked to any of the 25 cartridge cases that 'eventually' formed part of the so called batch of crime scene ammunition. What I mean by that / this, is that crimping marks made during them manufacturing stage found present on the casings were absent or different on the base lines of the 25 bullets / part bullets. Furthermore, the chemical composition of the residual charge inside these cartridge cases were not matched, or were different in the bullets. This was /is totally unsatisfactory, since there is no way of telling whether or not any of the 25 bullets that form part of the crime scene batch (in existence from 20th September 1985, onward) were fired via the anshuzt rifle at one and the same time.  I do not believe it to be sufficient for anyone to rely upon the notion that just because each of the 25 cartridge cases have got many identifying marks upon them linking them to the ammunition magazine, and the extracter / ejection mechanism of the anshuzt rifle, that anyone can be certain that any of these 25 cartridge cases were loaded and fired from the anshuzt rifle at the time of the murders, since they could have been fired later from the anshuzt rifle, lets for argument sake say during unreported test firing of the anshuzt rifle, which we now know did take place using previously unfired rounds of Eley .22 type ammunition? We know that not one single follower mark was found on any single cartridge case in the final batch of these cartridge cases, which raises strong suspicion that these 25 cartridge cases which formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition from 20th September 1985, onward, could quite easily have been swapped over, with a view of trying to present a misleading case for these shootings to have been the result of a one gun crime, when it had not been. I cannot for the life of me believe that the authorities have got away with making this case into a one gun crime simply by presenting 25 cartridge cases which at one time or another had been fired via the anshuzt rifle, without a single example of a single bullet having been linked or matched up with or too any of the 25 cartridge cases, by reliance upon manufacturers crimping marks, and lack of matching residues between any bullet or case..

It should also be noted, that upon reception at the Lab' the packaging of these crime scene exhibits had been cut open and resealed with cellotape...

The bag was cut open and resealed because the items were fingerprinted.

The rest of your post warrants no response, 25 casings were fired by the Anschutz which means 25 bullets had to have been fired by the Anschutz.  15 of the 25 had rifling marks indicating they were fired by the Anschutz.  They didn't have to do any chemical composition tests to figure out the other 10 came from the Anschutz. I already dealt with your ridiculous follow marks nonsense. 

Your conspriacy claims have no leg to stand on at all.

[lookout]

The bag was cut open and resealed because the items were fingerprinted.

The rest of your post warrants no response, 25 casings were fired by the Anschutz which means 25 bullets had to have been fired by the Anschutz.  15 of the 25 had rifling marks indicating they were fired by the Anschutz.  They didn't have to do any chemical composition tests to figure out the other 10 came from the Anschutz. I already dealt with your ridiculous follow marks nonsense. 

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Your conspriacy claims have no leg to stand on at all.
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[scipio_usmc]

The bag was cut open and resealed because the items were fingerprinted.

The rest of your post warrants no response, 25 casings were fired by the Anschutz which means 25 bullets had to have been fired by the Anschutz.  15 of the 25 had rifling marks indicating they were fired by the Anschutz.  They didn't have to do any chemical composition tests to figure out the other 10 came from the Anschutz. I already dealt with your ridiculous follow marks nonsense. 

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Your conspriacy claims have no leg to stand on at all.
[/quote-----------------------------------------------------------Neither do yours.

I don't have any conspiracy claims.  I rely on facts and evidence.  You and Mike don't want to face that Jeremy is guilty so you both ignroe that evidence and rely on nonsense.

You have again repeated your babble about June's arms being clawed at and Sheila's nails torn off int he process.  Those claims are false relying on false clais so you can ignore the truth just makes you look sad.

[lookout]

Yes,claw marks Sheila was embroiled in. It's not until you look at another side to these murders that you see a connection in the Bible and also Witchcraft,of which Sheila once told a cousin of hers that she was a " white witch ".
How sad it is that you're so blinkered.

Also 3 burns to Neville. Would Jeremy waste his precious time making sure he cted these burns on his family as well as murdering them too ? Get real !

[scipio_usmc]

Yes,claw marks in which Sheila was embroiled in. It's not until you look at another side to these murders that you see a connection in the Bible and also Witchcraft,of which Sheila once told a cousin of hers that she was a " white witch ".
How sad it is that you're so blinkered.

Also 3 burns to Neville, Would Jeremy waste his precious time making sure he inflicted these burns on his family as well as murdering them too ? Get real !

I am real you live in fantasyland.  You troll pro-Jeremy propaganda sites- repeat their lies there and then try to snow us with the ABSURD claim that 99% of your information comes from primary sources.

Anyone being real knows that there is no way Sheila killed herself seated propped against something, then while dead removed the moderator, took it to the closet without her blood dripping down her gown, hen washed up then went back to the bedroom lied down flat with the rifle across her chest and placed then after pooling blood on the floor she placed the bible in it. 

Anyone being real knows that if Nevill had actually phoned Jeremy then Jeremy would not have phoned his girlfriend and then wasted time looking up phone numbers of police stations.  Someone in his place would either rush over or call 999.

Anyone being real knows that there is no way she could have beaten Nevill without getting his blood on her body and clothing and knows she would have left bloody prints.

Anyone being real knows Jeremy lied repeatedly throughout the process and clearly did so to try to hide his guilt.

Anyone being real would know the autopsy report only mentions injuries of the sort you claim to Nevill.  You made up the injuries to June and Daniel.

We don't know for sure if the burns to Nevill were made during the course of the murders but if so Jeremy did it for staging purposes.  We neve rfigured out what that staging was meant to convey though.  It could have been to try to make it look like she burned him to force him to make the call.  Jeremy could have hoped police thought the call was to sucker him there so he would be killed as well.  He told AE he didn't go because he was scared that Sheila forced Nevill to make the call to sucker him there.  He could have hoped police would read such into the burns.  He could have done the burns just to try to make it seem like the killer was acting crazy to support his framejob.

You are not being real because even though you once admitted once you don't know Jeremy from a hole in the wall (which you said in an effort to say you had no bias in his favor) you constantly claim you know he would never kill his family and know he was a great guy yadda yadda yadda.

You choose to go with propaganda over sound evidence because of you are biased and have an agenda instead of looking at this objectively for the truth. 

That is why even after you are shown the exact portions of the autopsy applicable to June showing no injuries were observed to her arms you have no problem ignoring that and continuing with the bogus claim her arms were clawed.  Someone trying to be real would not do that.
 

[Jane]

I am real you live in fantasyland.  You troll pro-Jeremy propaganda sites- repeat their lies there and then try to snow us with the ABSURD claim that 99% of your information comes from primary sources.

Anyone being real knows that there is no way Sheila killed herself seated propped against something, then while dead removed the moderator, took it to the closet without her blood dripping down her gown, hen washed up then went back to the bedroom lied down flat with the rifle across her chest and placed then after pooling blood on the floor she placed the bible in it. 

Anyone being real knows that if Nevill had actually phoned Jeremy then Jeremy would not have phoned his girlfriend and then wasted time looking up phone numbers of police stations.  Someone in his place would either rush over or call 999.

Anyone being real knows that there is no way she could have beaten Nevill without getting his blood on her body and clothing and knows she would have left bloody prints.

Anyone being real knows Jeremy lied repeatedly throughout the process and clearly did so to try to hide his guilt.

Anyone being real would know the autopsy report only mentions injuries of the sort you claim to Nevill.  You made up the injuries to June and Daniel.

We don't know for sure if the burns to Nevill were made during the course of the murders but if so Jeremy did it for staging purposes.  We neve rfigured out what that staging was meant to convey though.  It could have been to try to make it look like she burned him to force him to make the call.  Jeremy could have hoped police thought the call was to sucker him there so he would be killed as well.  He told AE he didn't go because he was scared that Sheila forced Nevill to make the call to sucker him there.  He could have hoped police would read such into the burns.  He could have done the burns just to try to make it seem like the killer was acting crazy to support his framejob.

You are not being real because even though you once admitted once you don't know Jeremy from a hole in the wall (which you said in an effort to say you had no bias in his favor) you constantly claim you know he would never kill his family and know he was a great guy yadda yadda yadda.

You choose to go with propaganda over sound evidence because of you are biased and have an agenda instead of looking at this objectively for the truth. 

That is why even after you are shown the exact portions of the autopsy applicable to June showing no injuries were observed to her arms you have no problem ignoring that and continuing with the bogus claim her arms were clawed.  Someone trying to be real would not do that.
 

Do we know if the "burns" were old, as in scabbed over, or recent. I once suggest that they MAY have been the result of a minor procedure to remove moles. skin tags of even something precancerous.

[scipio_usmc]

Do we know if the "burns" were old, as in scabbed over, or recent. I once suggest that they MAY have been the result of a minor procedure to remove moles. skin tags of even something precancerous.

We only know that Vanezis said they appeared to be burns and there are the images that supposedly show the burns.  Those photos are the extent of what we can gleam.  Unless someone asked him more detail about these burns at trial and such hasn't been mentioned anywhere (in which case we would need to get the full transcript of his testimony) the only way to learn more of what Vanezis observed in relation to them would be to question him.

They look fresh enough to me that I think they were probably related to the murders and I don't see how he could have gotten them by accident prior to the murders.  But I can't prove that for sure based on the limited evidence that we have before us.  That is just my own intuition.

The million dollar question is one that police initially ignored and that Jeremy supporters ignore.  WHY would Sheila allow Nevill to make a phone call?  If left alone why would he make the call instead of arming himself with a knife or one of the shotguns or even the air rifle if he just wanted to wound her so he could then disarm her?  Why would Sheila decide to kill not only herself and her children but also her parents yet decided to spare Jeremy? She could have acted while all were there to target.

I think Jeremy burned Nevill in an effort to deal with these issues.  He wanted to make it look like Nevill was forced by Sheila to make the call to Jeremy and that it was an effort to sucker him there.  He didn't just think up this claim out of the blue when he told it to Ann Eaton he clearly thought about it previously.

Police were so blinded they didn't even think up how it made no sense for Nevill to get away to call Jeremy and that if that were the case he should have armed himself.  They just accepted he would somehow get away to make the call and would be too scared to try confronting her himself and thus they never needed to make the leap he wanted them to about her prompting Nevill to make the call.