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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #450 on: April 14, 2015, 02:09:AM »
   He did
                He didn't

After a genuine call at that time of the morning, any rational adult would call 999 - I'm sure you know that but you won't admit it here.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #451 on: April 14, 2015, 02:23:AM »
After a genuine call at that time of the morning, any rational adult would call 999 - I'm sure you know that but you won't admit it here.
   There is no uniform generally accepted response to every event that can occur. Everybody reacts and responds differently and it is a sweeping assumption to claim that any response other than dialling 999 is not rational.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #452 on: April 14, 2015, 02:43:AM »
   There is no uniform generally accepted response to every event that can occur. Everybody reacts and responds differently and it is a sweeping assumption to claim that any response other than dialling 999 is not rational.

You're in denial  :P
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #453 on: April 14, 2015, 02:57:AM »
   There is no uniform generally accepted response to every event that can occur. Everybody reacts and responds differently and it is a sweeping assumption to claim that any response other than dialling 999 is not rational.

yes thats true.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #454 on: April 14, 2015, 03:16:AM »
   There is no uniform generally accepted response to every event that can occur. Everybody reacts and responds differently and it is a sweeping assumption to claim that any response other than dialling 999 is not rational.

The only rational response of someone who actually received the call Jeremy claimed- which he claimed his father sounded terrified- would be to go there or to call 999.  Calling Julie to wake her up is not what any rational person would do (that is why Jeremy lied claiming he called Julie after calling police).

No rational person would then further waste time by looking up a phone station number in the phone book.

No person who did so then got no answer at the station because of the house would decide to get the phone book again to look up more numbers instead of calling 999.

His actions on'y make sense if he didn't receive the call he claimed and was just pretending he got a call.  That is what Julie said he was doing and that is what the evidence proves he was doing because evidence further proves Sheila never loaded the gun, beat anyone with the gun or shot anyone with the gun. They were all murdered by someone else which means Nevill never would have made the call claimed.

His behavior corroborates and complements the other evidence that establishes his guilt.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #455 on: April 14, 2015, 10:02:AM »
Surely then, the police were also in denial from the 7th August to the 8th of September, because they excepted his story about not dialing 999.   

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #456 on: April 14, 2015, 10:32:AM »
   The idea that he should have immediately dialled 999 and that his failure to do so indicates guilt is not really supported by anything, other than the belief of those who believe JB guilty that it is what they would have done.
     Is this true though? Why would Jeremy assume the situation was so urgent that he should dial 999? If Neville had been able to call Jeremy then why would Jeremy assume that he was required to dial 999. Surely it would be perfectly reasonable for JB to believe that Nevill either didn't want the police involved or had called himself if he had. If Nevill was able to use the phone to call Jeremy then he was also able to call the police himself so why would JB imagine that he himself should immediately dial 999.
     It is only the fact that the phone went dead and that it was engaged when attempting to call back that made calling the police an option according to JB's version.
     Whether or not this version is believed obviously depends on your stance of guilt or innocence but to disbelieve it on the basis of JB not dialling 999 is not the best piece of reasoning.
     That Nevill kept family affairs private is known, well documented and presumably accepted by all who post on here, so why is it considered not believable that JB would not call 999?






Excellent post,gringo,and what you've said is very feasible indeed. My thoughts too.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #457 on: April 14, 2015, 10:42:AM »
Surely then, the police were also in denial from the 7th August to the 8th of September, because they excepted his story about not dialing 999.

Why wouldn't they have initially bought his story? They have to investigate before knowing something is BS. Unless they use some of gringo's snake oil or call Mystic Meg.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #458 on: April 14, 2015, 10:48:AM »
The only rational response of someone who actually received the call Jeremy claimed- which he claimed his father sounded terrified- would be to go there or to call 999.  Calling Julie to wake her up is not what any rational person would do (that is why Jeremy lied claiming he called Julie after calling police).

No rational person would then further waste time by looking up a phone station number in the phone book.

No person who did so then got no answer at the station because of the house would decide to get the phone book again to look up more numbers instead of calling 999.

His actions on'y make sense if he didn't receive the call he claimed and was just pretending he got a call.  That is what Julie said he was doing and that is what the evidence proves he was doing because evidence further proves Sheila never loaded the gun, beat anyone with the gun or shot anyone with the gun. They were all murdered by someone else which means Nevill never would have made the call claimed.

His behavior corroborates and complements the other evidence that establishes his guilt.

Completely agree, the whole notion of the call is totally ridiculous. He's changed his story about this call frequently but supporters think this is OK. He told various people different things but when asked why he didn't call 999 - he has no answer because there isn't one!!

No call mean guilty and there was no call.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #459 on: April 14, 2015, 10:52:AM »
it neer ceases to amaze me how many peope know exatly what should of happened in a sitaun thee neer been in.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #460 on: April 14, 2015, 10:57:AM »
it neer ceases to amaze me how many peope now exatly what should of happend in a sitaun thee neer been in.






As I've said before,it's those who KNOW him to be 100% guilty that are shouting the loudest. Jeremy's sentence was passed 30 years ago to which he's been jailed ever since,so what is it they're seeking ? Quite baffling to me really.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #461 on: April 14, 2015, 11:10:AM »





As I've said before,it's those who KNOW him to be 100% guilty that are shouting the loudest. Jeremy's sentence was passed 30 years ago to which he's been jailed ever since,so what is it they're seeking ? Quite baffling to me really.

This seems to be the stock comment when the innocent argument runs out of steam.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #462 on: April 14, 2015, 11:25:AM »
This seems to be the stock comment when the innocent argument runs out of steam.  ;D ;D ;D ;D





Not at all. It's far easier for yourselves to repeat what's already in place,than it is to bring something new to the argument.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #463 on: April 14, 2015, 11:28:AM »
Your argument takes very little thought as it's easier to condemn someone than it is to support them, without the evidence that condemned them in the first place,forensic or otherwise.
This is why EP went for the easiest option. ;D

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #464 on: April 14, 2015, 11:31:AM »
Hi Guys

I am hoping when the two new books are out in July it will give us something new to chew on and discuss ;D