Another Freudian Slip?

[Stephanie]

Jeremy was asked "Approximately how long would it have taken you to find the number and get through?" He replied "Ten minutes at the outside." That's not the same thing as saying it took him around ten minutes.

Why didn't he phone 999. There was a reason he didn't.

If that were my father who had phoned about my sister I would have done all I could to get to the house as quickly as possible and help.

If when I got to the house and the police were there I would have fought with all my might to go into the house to find out what was going on. He didn't because he knew exactly what had happened....

He escaped capture for several months though he probably thought it was game over that Niight.....

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy was asked "Approximately how long would it have taken you to find the number and get through?" He replied "Ten minutes at the outside." That's not the same thing as saying it took him around ten minutes.

Which is a devastating admission because he claimed he didn't appreciate that it would be faster to dial 999.  Only a moron would not realize that looking up phone numbers instead of dialing 999 wastes time. He had no sense of urgency because he had no concern for them and he had no concern because he killed them so knew they were dead and was thus in no rush. 

[Stephanie]

Which is a devastating admission because he claimed he didn't appreciate that it would be faster to dial 999.  Only a moron would not realize that looking up phone numbers instead of dialing 999 wastes time. He had no sense of urgency because he had no concern for them and he had no concern because he killed them so knew they were dead and was thus in no rush.

He knew the words but not the music.....

[Caroline]

Jeremy was asked "Approximately how long would it have taken you to find the number and get through?" He replied "Ten minutes at the outside." That's not the same thing as saying it took him around ten minutes.

Nor is it the same as saying 'just a few minutes' but you're still looking for excuses and have to play it down because you previously said that length of time would be 'absurd'. Glad you agree, it is indeed absurd!!

[gringo]

Jeremy was asked "Approximately how long would it have taken you to find the number and get through?" He replied "Ten minutes at the outside." That's not the same thing as saying it took him around ten minutes.

   The idea that he should have immediately dialled 999 and that his failure to do so indicates guilt is not really supported by anything, other than the belief of those who believe JB guilty that it is what they would have done.
     Is this true though? Why would Jeremy assume the situation was so urgent that he should dial 999? If Neville had been able to call Jeremy then why would Jeremy assume that he was required to dial 999. Surely it would be perfectly reasonable for JB to believe that Nevill either didn't want the police involved or had called himself if he had. If Nevill was able to use the phone to call Jeremy then he was also able to call the police himself so why would JB imagine that he himself should immediately dial 999.
     It is only the fact that the phone went dead and that it was engaged when attempting to call back that made calling the police an option according to JB's version.
     Whether or not this version is believed obviously depends on your stance of guilt or innocence but to disbelieve it on the basis of JB not dialling 999 is not the best piece of reasoning.
     That Nevill kept family affairs private is known, well documented and presumably accepted by all who post on here, so why is it considered not believable that JB would not call 999?

[scipio_usmc]

   The idea that he should have immediately dialled 999 and that his failure to do so indicates guilt is not really supported by anything, other than the belief of those who believe JB guilty that it is what they would have done.
     Is this true though? Why would Jeremy assume the situation was so urgent that he should dial 999? If Neville had been able to call Jeremy then why would Jeremy assume that he was required to dial 999. Surely it would be perfectly reasonable for JB to believe that Nevill either didn't want the police involved or had called himself if he had. If Nevill was able to use the phone to call Jeremy then he was also able to call the police himself so why would JB imagine that he himself should immediately dial 999.
     It is only the fact that the phone went dead and that it was engaged when attempting to call back that made calling the police an option according to JB's version.
     Whether or not this version is believed obviously depends on your stance of guilt or innocence but to disbelieve it on the basis of JB not dialling 999 is not the best piece of reasoning.
     That Nevill kept family affairs private is known, well documented and presumably accepted by all who post on here, so why is it considered not believable that JB would not call 999?

It is not the only evidence against Jeremy nor is it the strongest but nonetheless is evidence against Jeremy.  Trying to pretend otherwise is what demonstrates bias.  Bias is a very dangerous thing because it prevents people from facing things that objectively exist.  If you refuse to face something and just live in denial trying to pretend it doesn't exist you get burned because other people not wearing the blinder you are are not going to ignore it.  That is why a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

Jeremy's claims are contradictory and make no sense.  He was ALLEGEDLY too scared to go over himself so instead he called police.  If that were true then right there it means he recognized they were in danger and recognized an urgent need for someone to go there to help- so much in need that he could not help the police were needed.  The whole reason 999 exists is so you can remember the number without needed to go look for a phone book.  To say he didn't know it would take longer to go get a phone book and look up numbers makes no sense at all.  To call and get no answer because a station was unmanned and then still look up another number instead of calling 999 at that point is even worse.

Jeremy's actions make no sense and only people who are in the tank for him will ignore reality and say otherwise. 

[Patti]

It is not the only evidence against Jeremy nor is it the strongest but nonetheless is evidence against Jeremy.  Trying to pretend otherwise is what demonstrates bias.  Bias is a very dangerous thing because it prevents people from facing things that objectively exist.  If you refuse to face something and just live in denial trying to pretend it doesn't exist you get burned because other people not wearing the blinder you are are not going to ignore it.  That is why a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

Jeremy's claims are contradictory and make no sense.  He was ALLEGEDLY too scared to go over himself so instead he called police.  If that were true then right there it means he recognized they were in danger and recognized an urgent need for someone to go there to help- so much in need that he could not help the police were needed.  The whole reason 999 exists is so you can remember the number without needed to go look for a phone book.  To say he didn't know it would take longer to go get a phone book and look up numbers makes no sense at all.  To call and get no answer because a station was unmanned and then still look up another number instead of calling 999 at that point is even worse.

Jeremy's actions make no sense and on;y peopel who are in the tank for him will ignore reality and say otherwise. 

 That is why a client who has a

I agree it is not the strongest of evidence. We are talking 30 years ago as you know.  It could be that Jeremy had never phoned the police before or any other emergency services and that this was his first time and OK he cocked it up by not dialing 999. He choose to look through the phone book for his local nick.  He did not think! It could be as simple as that.   

[Caroline]

I agree it is not the strongest of evidence. We are talking 30 years ago as you know.  It could be that Jeremy had never phoned the police before or any other emergency services and that this was his first time and OK he cocked it up by not dialing 999. He choose to look through the phone book for his local nick.  He did not think! It could be as simple as that.   

We are talking about an independent 25 year adult and not a 5 year old child right? 

[Patti]

We are talking about an independent 25 year adult and not a 5 year old child right? 

Yes why do you ask?

[Caroline]

   The idea that he should have immediately dialled 999 and that his failure to do so indicates guilt is not really supported by anything, other than the belief of those who believe JB guilty that it is what they would have done.
     Is this true though? Why would Jeremy assume the situation was so urgent that he should dial 999? If Neville had been able to call Jeremy then why would Jeremy assume that he was required to dial 999. Surely it would be perfectly reasonable for JB to believe that Nevill either didn't want the police involved or had called himself if he had. If Nevill was able to use the phone to call Jeremy then he was also able to call the police himself so why would JB imagine that he himself should immediately dial 999.
     It is only the fact that the phone went dead and that it was engaged when attempting to call back that made calling the police an option according to JB's version.
     Whether or not this version is believed obviously depends on your stance of guilt or innocence but to disbelieve it on the basis of JB not dialling 999 is not the best piece of reasoning.
     That Nevill kept family affairs private is known, well documented and presumably accepted by all who post on here, so why is it considered not believable that JB would not call 999?

He asked him to go over there - so why didn't he? A call at 3am in the morning saying Sheila has gone crazy and has a gun isn't a call you would take lightly.

[scipio_usmc]

I agree it is not the strongest of evidence. We are talking 30 years ago as you know.  It could be that Jeremy had never phoned the police before or any other emergency services and that this was his first time and OK he cocked it up by not dialing 999. He choose to look through the phone book for his local nick.  He did not think! It could be as simple as that.   

But he didn't claim it was that he didn't remember that 999 existed he said he didn't think it would be faster to call 999 so didn't bother.  Surely after calling the first station and finding it not manned he would have realized calling 999 would be faster than continuing to look up numbers of stations that might not be manned.  He showed no sense of urgency and that hurts his claim he received the call from Nevill that he claims to have received.  Calling Julie before police is another sign that he didn't receive such a call because he would not have wasted time waking her up if he had actually received such a call.   He didn't even try to go look in a window or to knock on the door nor did he press police to go knock.  Instead he scared the police with lies that Sheila was proficient with all the guns in the house.   These are not things that help Jeremy and just saying different people react in different ways doesn't do much to help matters.  These things in combination with the other evidence is quite bad.  Evidence compounds.
His trial defense never competently dealt with these problems.

[Stephanie]

Some psychopaths without their masks can be extremely child like....

[Caroline]

Yes why do you ask?

Your description made him sound like an immature, lost soul and he was far from that. I don't believe for one moment he didn't realise that in an emergency he shouldn't call 999. Someone calling at 3am doesn't call for nothing. But the call didn't happen anyway.

[Patti]

Some psychopaths without their masks can be extremely child like....

Pure fantasy. Casper 

[gringo]

He asked him to go over there - so why didn't he? A call at 3am in the morning saying Sheila has gone crazy and has a gun isn't a call you would take lightly.

   He did
                He didn't