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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #405 on: April 10, 2015, 03:25:PM »

You are highlighting the difference between how we perceive ourselves -and remember that psychopaths are so certain of their own supremacy that they cannot conceive of being wrong- and how we are perceived by others. Psychopaths know that they lie but believe they do it so convincingly that we plebs won't notice if the can't always remember what they said the last time they told the story. Jeremy didn't expect to be caught. He thought he'd outwitted the hoi polloi.






Has Jeremy had a PET/MRI scan to diagnose psychopathy ?

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #406 on: April 10, 2015, 03:33:PM »





Has Jeremy had a PET/MRI scan to diagnose psychopathy ?

I did hear that he'd refused certain tests but of what earthly use would they be? The prison authorities will continue to care for him whatever the outcome. I don't suppose they ever give thought to it because they would imagine, like many others, they'd assume than anyone who could murder their entire family -the reason he's there- is a psychopath.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #407 on: April 10, 2015, 03:43:PM »

Has Jeremy had a PET/MRI scan to diagnose psychopathy ?

No but maybe it's time he requested one. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been offered one but declined. I imagine, as his crimes are so rare, he has been approached at some point over these 30 plus years by researchers interested in understanding what makes people like him tick.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #408 on: April 10, 2015, 03:49:PM »

You are highlighting the difference between how we perceive ourselves -and remember that psychopaths are so certain of their own supremacy that they cannot conceive of being wrong- and how we are perceived by others. Psychopaths know that they lie but believe they do it so convincingly that we plebs won't notice if the can't always remember what they said the last time they told the story. Jeremy didn't expect to be caught. He thought he'd outwitted the hoi polloi.

We'll said April.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #409 on: April 10, 2015, 03:50:PM »
"The incarcerated psychopaths, however, are what a great deal of the available research on psychopathy has been conducted on. It can be very difficult to successfully identify psychopaths, even the ones that are in prison for violent crimes. This is so because the majority of them are exquisite liars, and a lot of them are smart enough to know what researchers are looking for on psychological tests and in one-on-one interviews. In fact, there are inmates that obtain books dealing with psychological testing and various other areas in the field of psychology. These inmates study the material and then, in return for payment, instruct fellow inmates how to answer psychological tests in a manner that will make them look good and possibly get them an early release from jail (Hare, 1993). So, this means that psychopaths can learn how to efficiently trick psychometric tests while they are in prison. Psychopaths have much better access to information about psychological testing and psychology in general when they are not imprisoned, obviously including research regarding psychopathy. It is possible that some of them receive actual training or college degrees in psychology, making them that much more adept at avoiding detection. In summary, it is not as simple to correctly recognize a psychopath as the media and Hollywood make it appear to be. Someone is not automatically a psychopath because they committed murder, rape, torture, etc. There are certain personality traits and socially undesirable behaviors that must be present before someone can be diagnosed as a psychopath (Hare, 1993).
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #410 on: April 10, 2015, 03:58:PM »
How very true! I think it's also very telling that he needed to ask for his statements when interrogated because he simply couldn't remember anything he'd said. he certainly wasn't expecting to be arrested and so had no time to try and recall what he'd originally said. His interrogation is a shambles.

I agree. His change of attitude was apparent, especially when asked certain questions. He became really arrogant at times.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #411 on: April 10, 2015, 04:02:PM »
Yes, fair comment, I have just read it.

He did mention it taking him around 10 mins to look up the number and I will find the reference.

Just read through his interview, he basically remembers nothing and is extremely cautious when answering, asking to see what he initially said in his earlier statements. However, he does let slip that he called Julie first and when he realises the implications, he changes it. He did the same thing with Jones on the day after the murders. Seems Jeremy doesn't remember anything unless the has the 'rehearsed' version right in front of him.

I spotted that as well. For me there is no suggestion whatsoever that he knew he had been caught.
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #412 on: April 10, 2015, 05:14:PM »
No but maybe it's time he requested one. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been offered one but declined. I imagine, as his crimes are so rare, he has been approached at some point over these 30 plus years by researchers interested in understanding what makes people like him tick.






So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy a psychopath when there are no hard facts/proof that he is one.

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #413 on: April 10, 2015, 05:24:PM »
Has Jeremy had a PET/MRI scan to diagnose psychopathy ?

No but maybe it's time he requested one. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been offered one but declined. I imagine, as his crimes are so rare, he has been approached at some point over these 30 plus years by researchers interested in understanding what makes people like him tick.

"The incarcerated psychopaths, however, are what a great deal of the available research on psychopathy has been conducted on. It can be very difficult to successfully identify psychopaths, even the ones that are in prison for violent crimes. This is so because the majority of them are exquisite liars, and a lot of them are smart enough to know what researchers are looking for on psychological tests and in one-on-one interviews. In fact, there are inmates that obtain books dealing with psychological testing and various other areas in the field of psychology. These inmates study the material and then, in return for payment, instruct fellow inmates how to answer psychological tests in a manner that will make them look good and possibly get them an early release from jail (Hare, 1993). So, this means that psychopaths can learn how to efficiently trick psychometric tests while they are in prison. Psychopaths have much better access to information about psychological testing and psychology in general when they are not imprisoned, obviously including research regarding psychopathy. It is possible that some of them receive actual training or college degrees in psychology, making them that much more adept at avoiding detection. In summary, it is not as simple to correctly recognize a psychopath as the media and Hollywood make it appear to be. Someone is not automatically a psychopath because they committed murder, rape, torture, etc. There are certain personality traits and socially undesirable behaviors that must be present before someone can be diagnosed as a psychopath (Hare, 1993).

So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy a psychopath when there are no hard facts/proof that he is one.

Simply because he's not had a PET/MRI scan means nothing. The fact that he presents with practically all of the characteristics of the Hare checklist should not be ignored imo.

You may wish to see him as a loveable rouge, I see him as calculated and extremely manipulative. Referring to him as a psychopath is a matter of opinion. If your beliefs of him are as strong as you suggest then why would you have a problem with how others perceive him? Surely the opinion of others would have no bearing on your beliefs; unless of course you are having second thoughts?
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #414 on: April 10, 2015, 05:26:PM »





So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy a psychopath when there are no hard facts/proof that he is one.

So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy innocent when there are no hard facts/proof that he is .

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #415 on: April 10, 2015, 05:29:PM »





So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy a psychopath when there are no hard facts/proof that he is one.

So therefore it's not for anyone to call Jeremy 'innocent' when there is no hard facts/proof that he is (far from it).
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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #416 on: April 10, 2015, 05:30:PM »
So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy innocent when there are no hard facts/proof that he is .

Ha, ha!! I genuinely didn't see your post!!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #417 on: April 10, 2015, 05:30:PM »
So therefore it's not for anyone to call Jeremy 'innocent' when there is no hard facts/proof that he is (far from it).
Ha, ha!! I genuinely didn't see your post!!  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #418 on: April 10, 2015, 05:32:PM »





So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy a psychopath when there are no hard facts/proof that he is one.


But it's OK to name as liars the police, the rellies, the girl friend, forensics and anyone else associated with the case even though "there are no hard facts/proof that" they are???

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Re: Another Freudian Slip?
« Reply #419 on: April 10, 2015, 05:36:PM »
So therefore,it's not for anyone to call Jeremy innocent when there are no hard facts/proof that he is .






 This forum is for debate---------right ? You stick to your views and I to mine.

You're all busy condemning Jeremy ( who's already where you want him to be ) yet when I read ALL the posts you describe him as being,your own behaviour is questionable !!