Another Freudian Slip?

[Stephanie]

I don't think its fair to call Jeremy a psychopath without knowing the full facts of an evaluation April or tag him with being one.  One does not become a psychopath over night, it has many contributing factors over a period of time.

You may want to bring that up with Bob Woffinden, JB's bio father, the police and all others who have referred to him as such.....

IMO JB ticks each box. It's all there. If people want to ignore it and excuse it, that's up to them.

[Caroline]

I dont get what you mean... and I do get what you mean, if you get what I mean? 

Yes he is not supposed to know that anyone has been shot.  But his version of events is that a desparate phone call from his dad was received which alleged a crazed Sheila was armed.  Given that everyone was then killed and that Taff Jones was of the opinion that Sheila was cuplabale / Jeremy was not,  I can see why Jeremy would say that to Ann.

He is recalling why he didn't go to the farm (past tense) and telling Ann what was going through his mind after the call - saying that he was frightened that the call may have been a trick in order to lure him to the farm so Sheila could 'shoot him too'. When his father (allegedly) called, all he said was Sheila had the gun, not that she had shot anyone so why would he use the words 'shoot me too'? It's the 'Shoot me too' that is the Freudian slip.

[Stephanie]

I think perfectly reasonable on a discussion board to put forward the 'opinion' that a convicted mass murderer is likely to be a psychopath.

I have to agree. Psychopathy in the mainstream is misunderstood in my opinion and more needs to be done to educate people. Most psychopaths do not murder but they do wreak havoc on peoples lives.

"Many parents often attribute their children’s psychopathic behavior to maturity issues or a lack of attention and concentration. It is also common for the wide variety of professionals interfacing with such individuals to attribute one’s psychopathic behavior to the existence of some inherent parental deficit or to assume that parental abuse or neglect has undoubtedly taken place. Despite the lack of a single definitive cause to explain the occurrence of this type of behavior, most would agree that encountering individuals displaying such behavior can be both frustrating and at times even dangerous.
 
Most would also agree that managing individuals choosing to engage in psychopathic behavior often becomes particularly problematic for family members and other personal associates. A large part of the difficulty lies in acquiring a heightened sense or awareness that one’s child is not likely to experience empathy, frequently lies, steals from the family, and can readily provide ample verbal justifications for one’s psychopathic behavior.

One of the problems that arises for parents is how to cope with psychopathic children as they develop into adolescence and adulthood. Unfortunately, when psychopathic behavioral patterns or psychopathic personality traits surface during childhood, the likelihood increases that these same behavioral patterns and personality traits may remain and become more solidified as they age. Given this generalization, how parents, law enforcement, and mental health professionals elect to interact with psychopathic adult children is important because there have been instances where related parental and professional misconceptions or minimizations have resulted in serious physical violence, such as the murder of one or both parents together with siblings.

[Jane]

it would prove that you put anyone in the frame for something very easly.

You MIGHT, I WOULDN'T. As I've said, not only do I find the concept of Jeremy being framed by family, friends, police, forensics, photographers, Special Branch, MI5, KGB, IRA and Uncle Tom Cobbly et al. ludicrous BEYOND belief, nobody has yet been able to answer the simple question "WHY"?

[Stephanie]

You MIGHT, I WOULDN'T. As I've said, not only do I find the concept of Jeremy being framed by family, friends, police, forensics, photographers, Special Branch, MI5, KGB, IRA and Uncle Tom Cobbly et al. ludicrous BEYOND belief, nobody has yet been able to answer the simple question "WHY"?

Thank goodness Nugs is an armchair detective hey and not the real McCoy 

[Alias]

Maggie this is what makes me think as Caroline said he was in the house when they all went to bed

What would his excuse for staying in the house be? He lived very nearby and had a car. I don´t find this likely.

[Jan]

I thought the neighbours heard him come back in the car anyway.

[susan]

What would his excuse for staying in the house be? He lived very nearby and had a car. I don´t find this likely.

Alias Caroline suggested that he brought the last trailer in and would be late finishing up so he said he would stay over.  If you remember a pair of men's slippers in Sheila's room and both beds were made up but I guess at times this feels feasible others not.

[maggie]

I thought the neighbours heard him come back in the car anyway.

They did, Jan or they heard the car come back, am not sure if they saw Jeremy but they stated the car then didn't move until he went out in the early morning.  Those cottages are tiny and am sure the car starting under there bedroom window must have woken them??

[Alias]

Clearly many people did, and do?

I don´t think a killer who had shot his victim twice would see it as something he should stage as a suicide.

[Stephanie]

I don´t think a killer who had shot his victim twice would see it as something he should stage as a suicide.

He didn't, the police did. He didn't necessarily have a plan and/or if he did he would have had to change tact when something went wrong. He wouldn't necessarily have thought this through. Psychopaths can appear to think quick on their feet.

[maggie]

Alias Caroline suggested that he brought the last trailer in and would be late finishing up so he said he would stay over.  If you remember a pair of men's slippers in Sheila's room and both beds were made up but I guess at times this feels feasible others not.

There is a possibility but that would have taken a lot of planning someone had to drive his car home and then he had to get back to the cottage to drive the car back  bit unlikely I think suse.

[maggie]

He didn't, the police did. He didn't necessarily have a plan and/or if he did he would have had to change tact when something went wrong. He wouldn't necessarily have thought this through. Psychopaths can appear to think quick on their feet.

According to Julie |M|ugford he had planned the murders for a year......

[Stephanie]

According to Julie |M|ugford he had planned the murders for a year......

That doesn't make it fact/true. We only have her word for it.

We can only speculate on whether or not the crime was pre-meditated.

[lookout]

And he still didn't get it right,eh,Maggie ? Leaving all kinds of clues.