Let's Start At The Very Beginning

[Jane]

Let's put aside, for a moment, whether or not we believe that Jeremy received a call from his father. We KNOW he called West and we KNOW West called Bonnet. There appears to have been a very minor, but totally understandable discrepancy regarding Sheila's status.

Sadly, this minor discrepancy has been used to suggest that ANOTHER call was made to the police, not by JEREMY Bamber but by NEVILLE Bamber, but it was decided -at PC level!!!!!- to keep this call from Jeremy against the time that they MIGHT wish to frame him for the murders.

Perhaps then, it was West and Bonnet who gave permission for a training exercise to be carried out at the scene. Perhaps it was they who gave permission to attend to Special Branch, Drug Squad, IRA, KGB, the policeman's chorus from Pirates of Penzance and Uncle Tom Cobbley et al. It was of no moment that in their enthusiasm for their work we are told they wounded a (living?) body, lost a (living?) body, moved (living AND deceased) bodies, killed a (living?) body, took any number of pictures of (deceased AND living) bodies in indescribable poses, waved banners from the roof and peed on the property, generally having themselves a ball because, at the end of the day, a PC and civilian worker had decided between them to withhold the one piece of evidence which would have cleared Jeremy's name!!!!.

If ANYONE can provide me with a concise, logical and believable answer to the simple question "WHY?" I'm all ears. Until then, NONE of the above makes an iota of sense.

[Stephanie]

Let's put aside, for a moment, whether or not we believe that Jeremy received a call from his father. We KNOW he called West and we KNOW West called Bonnet. There appears to have been a very minor, but totally understandable discrepancy regarding Sheila's status.

Sadly, this minor discrepancy has been used to suggest that ANOTHER call was made to the police, not by JEREMY Bamber but by NEVILLE Bamber, but it was decided -at PC level!!!!!- to keep this call from Jeremy against the time that they MIGHT wish to frame him for the murders.

Perhaps then, it was West and Bonnet who gave permission for a training exercise to be carried out at the scene. Perhaps it was they who gave permission to attend to Special Branch, Drug Squad, IRA, KGB, the policeman's chorus from Pirates of Penzance and Uncle Tom Cobbley et al. It was of no moment that in their enthusiasm for their work we are told they wounded a (living?) body, lost a (living?) body, moved (living AND deceased) bodies, killed a (living?) body, took any number of pictures of (deceased AND living) bodies in indescribable poses, waved banners from the roof and peed on the property, generally having themselves a ball because, at the end of the day, a PC and civilian worker had decided between them to withhold the one piece of evidence which would have cleared Jeremy's name!!!!.

If ANYONE can provide me with a concise, logical and believable answer to the simple question "WHY?" I'm all ears. Until then, NONE of the above makes an iota of sense.

Good luck with this April - I somehow sense the replies will be bias.. 

[Caroline]

Let's put aside, for a moment, whether or not we believe that Jeremy received a call from his father. We KNOW he called West and we KNOW West called Bonnet. There appears to have been a very minor, but totally understandable discrepancy regarding Sheila's status.

Sadly, this minor discrepancy has been used to suggest that ANOTHER call was made to the police, not by JEREMY Bamber but by NEVILLE Bamber, but it was decided -at PC level!!!!!- to keep this call from Jeremy against the time that they MIGHT wish to frame him for the murders.

Perhaps then, it was West and Bonnet who gave permission for a training exercise to be carried out at the scene. Perhaps it was they who gave permission to attend to Special Branch, Drug Squad, IRA, KGB, the policeman's chorus from Pirates of Penzance and Uncle Tom Cobbley et al. It was of no moment that in their enthusiasm for their work we are told they wounded a (living?) body, lost a (living?) body, moved (living AND deceased) bodies, killed a (living?) body, took any number of pictures of (deceased AND living) bodies in indescribable poses, waved banners from the roof and peed on the property, generally having themselves a ball because, at the end of the day, a PC and civilian worker had decided between them to withhold the one piece of evidence which would have cleared Jeremy's name!!!!.

If ANYONE can provide me with a concise, logical and believable answer to the simple question "WHY?" I'm all ears. Until then, NONE of the above makes an iota of sense.

They didn't even have the authority to organise a tea run! The question of 'why' (and it's been asked a lot) has never been answered.

[Adam]

We know there was no call from Neville to the police. It was not discussed at trial, or included in any of the appeals. It is on the OS as properganda.

West & Bonnet giving authorisation for training exercises ? Thought they just took the phone calls. Taff Jones may have, which was a mistake and perhaps a reason he didn't want the case being looked into again.

I have seen no evidence about strange banners. Inappropriate pictures at WHF and officers urinating outside.

The police keeping the call secret from day one ? In case they want to frame an innocent man later ? Is no one safe from those horrible men at EP. 

[Jane]

Good luck with this April - I somehow sense the replies will be bias.. 

Ever the optimist me, Steph..................but thanks

[Stephanie]

Ever the optimist me, Steph..................but thanks

 

[Adam]

Taff Jones may have given the authorisation for both the disposal of items and training exercises.

When people started asking him to change direction, he knew these issues would come back to haunt him. As well as being outed as the man in charge who was wrong about the murder/suicide theory.

[Adam]

Similar to Jeremy and supporters, Taff may have been in self denial. Partly to cover his own back.

After Julie approached the police, Taff interviewed Jeremy for a few minutes. Jeremy denied everything. 'Julie must be lying', Taff said !

[Reader]

"WHY?" I'm all ears.

Pc West dealt with the call. That doesn't include recounting some previous call.

[Caroline]

Pc West dealt with the call. That doesn't include recounting some previous call.

There was no previous call, there is no evidence of a previous call, a previous call lives only in the imagination of those who are desperate for Bamber to be innocent. Post the evidence of previous call for us all to see?

[guest154]

Pc West dealt with the call. That doesn't include recounting some previous call.

Reader I believe, from your previous posts/years on the forum, that you are too intelligent to actually believe this. Why have you damaged your credibility so much by trying to create a fake phone call?

[scipio_usmc]

The supposed training exercise has a genesis in the claim that a team of 8 rookies gave their fingerprints for elimination.  This claim was then expanded to claim the only way they would have been asked to give their prints is if they had been in the house which is false.  They took elimination samples from anyone outside the scene who never entered the main house and even people who simply handled evidence in some manner afterwards.  This was then expanded to claiming they were inside while the bodies were still in there.  Then it was expanded to claiming they trained on removing the gun from Sheila's body.  Then it was expanded again claiming they were conducting training using their own weapons while the victims were inside.

So at the end of the day there was simply documents saying people gave elimination samples nothing more the rest was all made up from nothing.

Those conducting the crime scene investigation say the house was secured and everyone apart from those handling the crime scene investigation were kept out.  The fact 57 officers were asked to give elimination prints doesn't prove those 57 were ever in the main house at WHF let alone that they were in the main house while the victims were inside or that a training exercise was held.

It is part of the same pattern of Jeremy and his supporters taking limited information and making giant leaps.   

The only relation between the training exercise claims and the claim that Nevill phoned 999 after calling Jeremy is that both involve taking giant leaps beyond all rationality.   

[Jane]

The supposed training exercise has a genesis in the claim that a team of 8 rookies gave their fingerprints for elimination.  This claim was then expanded to claim the only way they would have been asked to give their prints is if they had been in the house which is false.  They took elimination samples from anyone outside the scene who never entered the main house and even people who simply handled evidence in some manner afterwards.  This was then expanded to claiming they were inside while the bodies were still in there.  Then it was expanded to claiming they trained on removing the gun from Sheila's body.  Then it was expanded again claiming they were conducting training using their own weapons while the victims were inside.

So at the end of the day there was simply documents saying people gave elimination samples nothing more the rest was all made up from nothing.

Those conducting the crime scene investigation say the house was secured and everyone apart from those handling the crime scene investigation were kept out.  The fact 57 officers were asked to give elimination prints doesn't prove those 57 were ever in the main house at WHF let alone that they were in the main house while the victims were inside or that a training exercise was held.

It is part of the same pattern of Jeremy and his supporters taking limited information and making giant leaps.   

The only relation between the training exercise claims and the claim that Nevill phoned 999 after calling Jeremy is that both involve taking giant leaps beyond all rationality.

In fairness to Jeremy supporters, shall we say that they were probably never DIScouraged from the belief that 57 officers tramped all over the crime scene, in the same way that we were encouraged to believe the Monastery debacle.

[Steve_uk]

In fairness to Jeremy supporters, shall we say that they were probably never DIScouraged from the belief that 57 officers tramped all over the crime scene, in the same way that we were encouraged to believe the Monastery debacle.

I think in the early days in prison Jeremy looked as if he were poring over documents night and day..I'm thinking of the photograph where we see him emerging from a vehicle,squinting in the sun after possibly stuck in a dimly lit cell,yet years later it looks as if he's far more half-hearted,despite his braggadocio in front of the British media and resigned just to make the best of things. Of course what is really going on inside his mind none of us really know,and I don't think any one individual ever really did know..

[Jan]

I think in the early days in prison Jeremy looked as if he were poring over documents night and day..I'm thinking of the photograph where we see him emerging from a vehicle,squinting in the sun after possibly stuck in a dimly lit cell,yet years later it looks as if he's far more half-hearted,despite his braggadocio in front of the British media and resigned just to make the best of things. Of course what is really going on inside his mind none of us really know,and I don't think any one individual ever really did know..

Do you think as he said he has given up - his words I think were  "I know I am innocent I just cant prove it?"

Or do you think he is keeping quiet because he must do his next submission through the correct channels - which is not a public forum?

I cant see personally if EP had anything incriminating they would be so stupid as to release it even if the PII files were released - things would have been destroyed long ago.