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Re: The killlers
« Reply #450 on: April 02, 2015, 12:03:PM »
you cant have a forum without speculation most of the stuff about jeremy and sheilas early life is speculation theres no undisputable proof of it.

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« Reply #451 on: April 02, 2015, 12:05:PM »
 Including what the relatives had to say as well ! Who DIDN'T really know the family.

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« Reply #452 on: April 02, 2015, 12:07:PM »
Including what the relatives had to say as well ! Who DIDN'T really know the family.





I bet they were shocked themselves to have read certain things that were in the press,to say nothing if any of them read Colin's book !

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« Reply #453 on: April 02, 2015, 02:04:PM »





I'm going to ask Jeremy.,



But unless he was there to greet Sheila and the boys when they arrived, how would he know what went on when she arrived? Also, it's very possible that Jeremy's truth will be different from what the others could tell us, IF they could.

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« Reply #454 on: April 02, 2015, 02:11:PM »
well there cant be any harm in aking him.

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« Reply #455 on: April 02, 2015, 02:17:PM »
well there cant be any harm in aking him.



None whatsoever. I'm just suggesting that it might be advisable to keep an open mind about the answer. If NOTHING else, it's been a very long time since it happened.

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« Reply #456 on: April 02, 2015, 02:19:PM »


But unless he was there to greet Sheila and the boys when they arrived, how would he know what went on when she arrived? Also, it's very possible that Jeremy's truth will be different from what the others could tell us, IF they could.





He was working at the farm the time that his sister and twins were there. We'll just have to wait and see,won't we ?


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« Reply #457 on: April 02, 2015, 02:36:PM »
It's up to you to tell me why my 'wild suggestion' is not possible.

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« Reply #458 on: April 02, 2015, 04:20:PM »
There was a " to do " at that farmhouse the minute that Sheila set foot in it and I aim to find out what it was. As soon as they'd arrived,both mother and daughter were daggers drawn,and Sheila just DIDN'T want to be there.

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« Reply #459 on: April 02, 2015, 04:32:PM »
How do you know?





According to Claire Powell there was,and the guilters don't lie or spin,do they ?

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« Reply #460 on: April 02, 2015, 04:42:PM »
I'm actually looking for the bit where the author states that as soon as Sheila had entered the farmhouse after Colin dropped them off,her mother started on Sheila, quote," It was an unfortunate decision *,given Sheila's unpredictable moods and the tension which was liable to erupt between mother and daughter at any moment,unquote ".
* meaning the stay at WHF.

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« Reply #461 on: April 02, 2015, 04:43:PM »
According to Claire Powell there was,and the guilters don't lie or spin,do they ?

The proper way to evaluate a claim in a book regardless of the objectivity (or lack thereof) of the author is whether the author explains how they know something is true and identifies a source for the claim.

If they provide no evidence then it is just an unsupported allegation as opposed to a fact.  If they provide support then you can check out that support and see if it actually holds up and the claim is true.

If she identified with specificity what supposedly happened and how she found out that is one thing.  To say there was some problem but she never was able to figure out what happened doesn't sound like she had much of a basis to even be asserting anything happened.

 
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« Reply #462 on: April 02, 2015, 04:45:PM »




According to Claire Powell there was,and the guilters don't lie or spin,do they ?


How on EARTH could she POSSIBLY know? Are you really prepared to take her word for it or do you just WANT to believe her?

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« Reply #463 on: April 02, 2015, 05:19:PM »

How on EARTH could she POSSIBLY know? Are you really prepared to take her word for it or do you just WANT to believe her?





Because she'd,Claire Powell,had spent quite a bit of time with the relatives,who she got to know,so presumably it could have been something which was said to Pam by June regarding the last phone call that June had before the tragedy.

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Re: The killlers
« Reply #464 on: April 02, 2015, 05:20:PM »
Because it's ludicrous.

Saying it's ludicrous is not an argument. People having psychotic episodes do ludicrous things, like sometimes murdering people because they falsely perceive them as a threat. Being convinced you are going to win a Nobel prize is ludicrous but that's exactly what my cousin believed.
Ludicrousness or lack of logic, manifest to us, may be an unshakable delusion to a psychotic. Hallucinations are common. Objects may be perceived as larger or smaller than reality.

This is a quote from a medical journal:

'deficits of object-perception and spatial attention shifting are not only associated with schizophrenia, but are common to all psychosis patients. Schizophrenia patients only differed by having abnormally slow right-to-left visual field reorienting. Deficits of object-perception and spatial attention shifting are already present after recent onset of psychosis.'