The killlers

[Caroline]

The bathroom window and the kitchen window.

The kitchen window looks very small for a man to climb through...not saying it could not be done., but what I am saying is there is no forensic evidence to support anyone going out of that window, nor is there any evidence to support the bathroom window had been used on the night.

I don't think there needs to be any forensic evidence, they just had to prove it was possible and the defence didn't challenge the notion that it was - in fact Jeremy admitted that he could get into WHF. With that admission, there isn't much for the defence to argue on that score.

[Stephanie]

I don't think there needs to be any forensic evidence, they just had to prove it was possible and the defence didn't challenge the notion that it was - in fact Jeremy admitted that he could get into WHF. With that admission, there isn't much for the defence to argue on that score.

Agreed!

[lookout]

I don't think there needs to be any forensic evidence, they just had to prove it was possible and the defence didn't challenge the notion that it was - in fact Jeremy admitted that he could get into WHF. With that admission, there isn't much for the defence to argue on that score.

Well the defence should have made something up then. That's what court cases are for,finding things that aren't there.
The defence needed a good kick up the behind.

[Caroline]

Well the defence should have made something up then. That's what court cases are for,finding things that aren't there.
The defence needed a good kick up the behind.

What could they make up when Jeremy had already said he could get in?

[lookout]

What could they make up when Jeremy had already said he could get in?

Were they all struck dumb at this point,or what ? No further questioning ?

[Caroline]

Were they all struck dumb at this point,or what ? No further questioning ?

Like?

[Jan]

Hi, Jan. Where are you getting that from? Where have you seen that trial testimony?

its on the  site .

[Jan]

What could they make up when Jeremy had already said he could get in?

getting in is not the point .

[Jan]

lets try this from another angle.

If it necessary if it was JB to make it look like SC had done the murders and the police confirmed all the windows were locked from the inside . So obviously if a window had been unlocked they would have known someone could have been in the house on the night and left .

Now if it was you and the only persons who said the window could have been locked from the outside were persons who may have gained ( financially or otherwise) then I think you would be trying to prove that it was not true .

I will say it again If Barlow said under oath in court he saw that window could lock from the outside then fair enough because hey did not forensically test the windows at the time so the evidence may have been lost. But I don't think he did - I will try and find the transcript.

[Caroline]

getting in is not the point .

Of course it is. Once Jeremy admitted he could get in, he left the defence with no avenue. They could peruse it but would do themselves more damage. They don't have to PROVE how he got out, just show that it was possible and they did that.

[maggie]

lets try this from another angle.

If it necessary if it was JB to make it look like SC had done the murders and the police confirmed all the windows were locked from the inside . So obviously if a window had been unlocked they would have known someone could have been in the house on the night and left .

Now if it was you and the only persons who said the window could have been locked from the outside were persons who may have gained ( financially or otherwise) then I think you would be trying to prove that it was not true .

I will say it again If Barlow said under oath in court he saw that window could lock from the outside then fair enough because hey did not forensically test the windows at the time so the evidence may have been lost. But I don't think he did - I will try and find the transcript.

I agree Jan, this has always been an argument of mine.  The judge said it didn't have to be proved that JB did enter the house via the window and exit the same way just that it was possible.  I have never seen anywhere anything stating it was proven to be possible. As far as I can see, Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton claimed it to be possible but according to the 2002 appeal it was accepted the police never proved it was possible and although they didn't state at trial or know for an absolute fact it wasn't possible they had never proven it was possible.??    To knock a window to make an arm of an upper casement window fall down is one thing for it to lock into place and secure the window is another thing altogether and highly unlikely imo.

[lookout]

It needn't necessarily have been Jeremy who was trying to get out. When anyone is held hostage or cornered,their first thought is an escape route or at least somewhere that has an access in which to shout out of. Someone from within could have been trying to attract attention from the easiest/nearest access area that was convenient at the time.

[Caroline]

I agree Jan, this has always been an argument of mine.  The judge said it didn't have to be proved that JB did enter the house via the window and exit the same way just that it was possible. I have never seen anywhere anything stating it was proven to be possible. As far as I can see, Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton claimed it to be possible but according to the 2002 appeal it was accepted the police never proved it was possible and although they didn't state at trial or know for an absolute fact it wasn't possible they had never proven it was possible.??    To knock a window to make an arm of an upper casement window fall down is one thing for it to lock into place and secure the window is another thing altogether and highly unlikely imo.

Jeremy admitted he could get in and Barlow was present when the window was shown to be closed from the outside. I think this MORE than shows it was 'possible'. It didn't have to be 'proven' that he entered or left in the same manner - just that it was 'possible'. They did this and the defence didn't challenge it.

[Adam]

I agree Jan, this has always been an argument of mine.  The judge said it didn't have to be proved that JB did enter the house via the window and exit the same way just that it was possible.  I have never seen anywhere anything stating it was proven to be possible. As far as I can see, Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton claimed it to be possible but according to the 2002 appeal it was accepted the police never proved it was possible and although they didn't state at trial or know for an absolute fact it wasn't possible they had never proven it was possible.??    To knock a window to make an arm of an upper casement window fall down is one thing for it to lock into place and secure the window is another thing altogether and highly unlikely imo.

Jeremy said himself he could get in and out of kitchen, bathroom and scullery windows. It is in the police interview transcripts.

He also testified he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to the bathroom window. After the massacre.

This is probably why he has not brought the window issue up in his 'Campaign for Freedom'.

[lookout]

RWB found the hacksaw !