The killlers

[Jane]

Surely as he was paying them to defend him they should have done this to the best of their ability and followed up every lead .  I don't believe it was their place to make personal decisions, it had nothing to do with what they did or didn't believe on a personal basis, that should have been irrelevant.

I'm fairly certain that there's a certain amount of collusion between Crown and Defence counsel, and I'm equally certain that despite it being their job to defend, Defence have a pretty good picture of who's innocent and who's guilty.

[lookout]

But he was planning it to look as if Sheila had done it. If he'd bought a hand gun, applied for the licence, etc. how could he have explained Sheila getting hold of it, HIS gun OR how would he have explained Sheila BUYING the gun?

Well seeing as he got around everything else,he'd have got by with that as well. Then it could have been added to the rest of the " evidence " they got him on.

[Jane]

Well seeing as he got around everything else,he'd have got by with that as well. Then it could have been added to the rest of the " evidence " they got him on.

I rather think you're applying your own take on it, Lookout. Let's just say that NOT trying to purchase a hand gun, apply for a licence and try to make it look as if Sheila owned it, is something he DIDN'T have to get round. In fact, his plan was so BEAUTIFULLY simple and WORKABLE that I'm astounded how those of you who think he's innocent, try to complicate things by making them more difficult for him to achieve. :D

[Alias]

I rather think you're applying your own take on it, Lookout. Let's just say that NOT trying to purchase a hand gun, apply for a licence and try to make it look as if Sheila owned it, is something he DIDN'T have to get round. In fact, his plan was so BEAUTIFULLY simple and WORKABLE that I'm astounded how those of you who think he's innocent, try to complicate things by making them more difficult for him to achieve. :D

So we all think he should have bought a handgun even though one person wrote it, is that what you are saying?

[lookout]

I rather think you're applying your own take on it, Lookout. Let's just say that NOT trying to purchase a hand gun, apply for a licence and try to make it look as if Sheila owned it, is something he DIDN'T have to get round. In fact, his plan was so BEAUTIFULLY simple and WORKABLE that I'm astounded how those of you who think he's innocent, try to complicate things by making them more difficult for him to achieve. :D

I wouldn't dream of complicating matters. I'm just filling in where applicable in stating that Jeremy could have chosen something else other than a .22 rifle which is commonly used for killing vermin. Because my question wasn't suitably answered,I decided to add my own take on an alternative weapon.

[Jane]

I wouldn't dream of complicating matters. I'm just filling in where applicable in stating that Jeremy could have chosen something else other than a .22 rifle which is commonly used for killing vermin. Because my question wasn't suitably answered,I decided to add my own take on an alternative weapon.

So let's suppose that SOMEHOW he got a hand gun. HOW was he going to explain that Sheila knew how to use if. This was never about Jeremy. It had to be made to look as if Sheila had done it. WHY would Sheila, who apparently wouldn't let her boys play with toy guns, bring a REAL one to WHF?

[Alias]

So let's suppose that SOMEHOW he got a hand gun. HOW was he going to explain that Sheila knew how to use if. This was never about Jeremy. It had to be made to look as if Sheila had done it. WHY would Sheila, who apparently wouldn't let her boys play with toy guns, bring a REAL one to WHF?

There was a toy gun in the living room at the WHF, I don´t think Nevill played with it.

[Jane]

There was a toy gun in the living room at the WHF, I don´t think Nevill played with it.

She may not have had much control over what other people gave them OR she gave in OR like some other things said/written here, "it ain't necessarily so"

[Alias]

She may not have had much control over what other people gave them OR she gave in OR like some other things said/written here, "it ain't necessarily so"

Neither is that Sheila didn´t want them to play with toyguns.

[lookout]

So let's suppose that SOMEHOW he got a hand gun. HOW was he going to explain that Sheila knew how to use if. This was never about Jeremy. It had to be made to look as if Sheila had done it. WHY would Sheila, who apparently wouldn't let her boys play with toy guns, bring a REAL one to WHF?

What difference would anything have made ? As things stood, the shooting of Sheila was made to look like suicide,but it didn't work and wouldn't have worked whatever weapon had been used. Jeremy was the target and that's where the fixation ended.

I wonder if the toy gun was fingerprinted ? I've always wondered, seeing as it was a forbidden toy.

[Jane]

What difference would anything have made ? As things stood, the shooting of Sheila was made to look like suicide,but it didn't work and wouldn't have worked whatever weapon had been used. Jeremy was the target and that's where the fixation ended.

I wonder if the toy gun was fingerprinted ? I've always wondered, seeing as it was a forbidden toy.

OK. How was Jeremy going to persuade Nevill to buy him a hand gun? What reason would he have given for wanting one? The firearms were licenced in Nevill's name, not Jeremy's. "As things stood" Sheila went mad, picked up the rifle Jeremy had "inadvertently" left where she could easily get at it, and shot the family.

[lookout]

OK. How was Jeremy going to persuade Nevill to buy him a hand gun? What reason would he have given for wanting one? The firearms were licenced in Nevill's name, not Jeremy's. "As things stood" Sheila went mad, picked up the rifle Jeremy had "inadvertently" left where she could easily get at it, and shot the family.

He wouldn't have told his father for a start.He'd have bought one from London from any dodgy dealer.That would have been no problem obtaining one at all. The rest he'd have worked out and found a way being as he was a " manipulator " . 

[Jane]

He wouldn't have told his father for a start.He'd have bought one from London from any dodgy dealer.That would have been no problem obtaining one at all. The rest he'd have worked out and found a way being as he was a " manipulator " .

How was he going to explain how Sheila managed to know enough about how it worked to shoot the whole family and then herself because the bottom line is that it HAD to appear as if she'd done it. YOU may think that surreptitiously buying a hand gun to blast his family with would have been a better option for Jeremy but I think it would have involved MUCH which was unnecessary.

[Caroline]

He wouldn't have told his father for a start.He'd have bought one from London from any dodgy dealer.That would have been no problem obtaining one at all. The rest he'd have worked out and found a way being as he was a " manipulator " .

We are entering the realms of fantasy.

[maggie]

but in court Barlow said there was nothing unusual about the window he never said under oath that he saw the window being locked from the outside. And even if it could then if it was that small window that he got out of could he have physically done that ? Or are you saying he got through the bigger window then balanced and reached through the top window , closed the bottom one while hanging out of the window . Then lock
Ed the top one.?

I can't understand why anyone would have to climb out of the small, top window if it was possible to close the bottom window by standing on the window ledge and reaching through the skylight to close it, I don't see how the skylight or top smaller window could be locked from the outside having grown up in a house with similar windows.  I would say its impossible to get the arm to fall down and lock onto the connection which holds the window closed.