The killlers

[Adam]

Left the door open to accuse a stranger of breaking in and using one of the WHF guns to slaughter those inside...... Makes no sense, he would of been under suspicion right away and he would have no alibi without the phonecall, he would have been the last one to see the family alive.

I can't see how anyone can believe changing plan after two shots would have made more sense.

And the first person to find them. He was due at WHF at 7.30am that morning.

[Adam]

I am no expert on suicides or guns.

If someone said to me a person committed suicide by shooting themselves twice with a weak rifle, I would find it believable.

The first shot with a weak rifle didn't kill the person. The person who wanted to commit suicide then managed to fire a second shot.

Statistics back this up, as two shot suicides have happened.

A three or four shot suicide is unbelievable.

Alias's sole reason for believing Jeremy 'didn't do it' has no basis.

[Adam]

Jeremy had either read up about two shot suicides and knew it was possible. Or used common sense and assumed it would be believable that Sheila had shot herself twice with a weak rifle.

Either way he was not going deviate radically from the plan he had spent a long time on, at the last minute. After having to fire a second shot. The fake random burglar or psychopath options are both non starters.

Alias's reason for believing Jeremy is innocent has no basis.

[Jane]

But he could have easily left a door open which would implicate someone else. There was no need for him to have invented a call.....Maybe he was stupid, unintelligent or he did not do it?

Trying to implicate an unknown outsider breaking in to rob would have involved raising questions with no logical answer, ie WHY would such a person feel the need to turn a burglary into slaughter and leave empty-handed. A burglar, caught in the act, is surely going to think FIRST, of escape, NOT hanging around to slaughter the entire family, LEAST of all, two sleeping children. WHY would random burglar risk turning a rap over the knuckles and a fine -if caught- into a life stretch.

Trying to make it look like random burglary gone wrong would have involved Jeremy in getting into the mindset of what he believed would be the MO of a random burglar but there was nothing to suggest that anyone had been looking for valuables. No draws opened. No contents strewn. No missing objets d'art. No missing jewellery.

I imagine Jeremy saw his plan as being perfect in its simplicity..................and it actually WAS. His mentally ill sister had had a violent episode and got hold of a firearm, during which his father had been able to make a frantic call to Jeremy for assistance. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?.........................

[Caroline]

Trying to implicate an unknown outsider breaking in to rob would have involved raising questions with no logical answer, ie WHY would such a person feel the need to turn a burglary into slaughter and leave empty-handed. A burglar, caught in the act, is surely going to think FIRST, of escape, NOT hanging around to slaughter the entire family, LEAST of all, two sleeping children. WHY would random burglar risk turning a rap over the knuckles and a fine -if caught- into a life stretch.

Trying to make it look like random burglary gone wrong would have involved Jeremy in getting into the mindset of what he believed would be the MO of a random burglar but there was nothing to suggest that anyone had been looking for valuables. No draws opened. No contents strewn. No missing objets d'art. No missing jewellery.

I imagine Jeremy saw his plan as being perfect in its simplicity..................and it actually WAS. His mentally ill sister had had a violent episode and got hold of a firearm, during which his father had been able to make a frantic call to Jeremy for assistance. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?.........................

I agree, making it look like a burglary is far more complicated, why kill two sleeping boys for starters? Why take nothing? He chose to blame his sister because she had a 'history' of mental health.

[Alias]

I agree, making it look like a burglary is far more complicated, why kill two sleeping boys for starters? Why take nothing? He chose to blame his sister because she had a 'history' of mental health.

The burglary scenario is a place guilters need to go to, I have never mentioned it. I don´t believe he was there, so I don´t need to even go there.

Believing that Jeremy staged a  two shot murder as suicide is related to guilters being perfectly willing to accept that J could have crawled out of the little, elongated (slightly open in photo) window on the top left - until it was cleared up that it was another window. The point is, people believed it even though clearly it was impossible.

[Jane]

The burglary scenario is a place guilters need to go to, I have never mentioned it. I don´t believe he was there, so I don´t need to even go there.

Believing that Jeremy staged a  two shot murder as suicide is related to guilters being perfectly willing to accept that J could have crawled out of the little, elongated (slightly open in photo) window on the top left - until it was cleared up that it was another window. The point is, people believed it even though clearly it was impossible.

There might have been something in that.......................had Jeremy not admitted to crawling through a window. The point is, he could because he already had. WHICH particular window is irrelevant.

[lookout]

I agree, making it look like a burglary is far more complicated, why kill two sleeping boys for starters? Why take nothing? He chose to blame his sister because she had a 'history' of mental health.

As Jeremy said in his interview with Eric Allison,neither he,nor his parents realised how ill Sheila was.Nobody had a clue ! So much for private medicine and the need to visit WHF to talk with the parents-------NOT. No follow-ups,no nothing and least of all no indication that Sheila could possibly be a danger to herself,and particularly others.
So Jeremy could not have used his sister as an excuse,not knowing fully about her illness--------until after the event when he was in prison reading about it.

[Caroline]

The burglary scenario is a place guilters need to go to, I have never mentioned it. I don´t believe he was there, so I don´t need to even go there.

Believing that Jeremy staged a  two shot murder as suicide is related to guilters being perfectly willing to accept that J could have crawled out of the little, elongated (slightly open in photo) window on the top left - until it was cleared up that it was another window. The point is, people believed it even though clearly it was impossible.

I never said you did. I don't NEED to go anywhere, I was answering another post - not one by you. I have also never said he climbed out of any window.

[Caroline]

As Jeremy said in his interview with Eric Allison,neither he,nor his parents realised how ill Sheila was.Nobody had a clue ! So much for private medicine and the need to visit WHF to talk with the parents-------NOT. No follow-ups,no nothing and least of all no indication that Sheila could possibly be a danger to herself,and particularly others.
So Jeremy could not have used his sister as an excuse,not knowing fully about her illness--------until after the event when he was in prison reading about it.

He told police officers that his sister was 'a nutter'. He knew she was ill and he played upon it.

[lookout]

He told police officers that his sister was 'a nutter'. He knew she was ill and he played upon it.

Nah,he was trying to be big in front of the officers. It wouldn't have come out right if he'd have said that she was being seen by a psychiatrist. I don't believe he was playing on her illness at all. He didn't want to appear a " cissy ",so he used gutter language instead.

[Jane]

As Jeremy said in his interview with Eric Allison,neither he,nor his parents realised how ill Sheila was.Nobody had a clue ! So much for private medicine and the need to visit WHF to talk with the parents-------NOT. No follow-ups,no nothing and least of all no indication that Sheila could possibly be a danger to herself,and particularly others.
So Jeremy could not have used his sister as an excuse,not knowing fully about her illness--------until after the event when he was in prison reading about it.

Lookout, you know, as well as I, the STRICT rules on patient confidentiality. Irrelevant of who was footing the bill the Dr's moral duty was to Sheila and ONLY to Sheila, who didn't live anywhere NEAR WHF, so why do you believe they should have gone there. Their only way out of what may have been a moral dilemma for them would have been to seek Sheila's permission to speak with her parents. Personally, I don't think she'd have given it but she may have agreed for them to speak with Colin.

[Jane]

Nah,he was trying to be big in front of the officers. It wouldn't have come out right if he'd have said that she was being seen by a psychiatrist. I don't believe he was playing on her illness at all. He didn't want to appear a " cissy ",so he used gutter language instead.

I thought he told them she'd just come out of the "nut house" and might be going back(?) I feel sure he used the term "paranoid depressive".

[Adam]

He said to Liz Rimmington 'I'm the only one who knew Sheila was going back to the nut house'.

Before saying to her 'Only I know what really happened that night'.

The window issue is closed. There are 16 good sources stating it could be banged shut from outside.

[Alias]

He said to Liz Rimmington 'I'm the only one who knew Sheila was going back to the nut house'.

Before saying to her 'Only I know what really happened that night'.

The window issue is closed. There are 16 good sources stating it could be banged shut from outside.

That is not the issue here, I don´t think you understand what I was getting at.