The killlers

[Alias]

He didn't 'intend' to stage a multiple shot suicide. It happened, he had to just carry on. If he could make the phone call sound convincing, he had an alibi so the police wouldn't think he was a suspect. There is nothing he could do after the two shots had been fired, he couldn't 'unshoot' one of them. He had no choice but to go through with it. It wasn't 'part' of the plan - it was an unfortunate (or fortunate) mistake.

No need to explain this to me, of course it wouldn´t have been part of the plan.

[Jane]

It looks like the rubber tip of a badminton birdie. In any event it has no significance for the murders.

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!! That's EXACTLY what I was trying to think of I agree, it didn't.

[Caroline]

No need to explain this to me, of course it wouldn´t have been part of the plan.

But you keep asking who would stage a multiple shot suicide? Whether Bamber did it himself, or engaged a hit man (which I think is HIGHLY UNLIKELY), it would still mean that a multiple shot suicide had to be staged.

[scipio_usmc]

Not stage a suicide, leave the door unlocked and not make up a phonecall.
I have also said that many times now.

I have never heard about another case of a two shot murder staged as suicide.

The only suspect would be him.  He had opportunity, and motive to kill everyone in the house.  Who else would have the motive to kill everyone in the house?  A burglar?  No because a burglar would not need to kill victims in their sleep.  A burglar would at most kill the person(s) who discovered the burglar then would get out of there not reload and go room to room killing people who were still asleep thus could not ID the burglar.

Aside from Jeremy being the only one with a motive to execute everyone a killer going there to execute everyone would bring his own weapon not use the Anschutz. 

Jeremy felt the only way to keep suspicion off himself would be to frame Sheila and a first his plan worked. It fell apart once the lab weighed in and Julie came clean.   

[Caroline]

The only suspect would be him.  He had opportunity, and motive to kill everyone in the house.  Who else would have the motive to kill everyone in the house?  A burglar?  No because a burglar would not need to kill victims in their sleep.  A burglar would at most kill the person(s) who discovered the burglar then would get out of there not reload and go room to room killing people who were still asleep thus could not ID the burglar.

Aside from Jeremy being the only one with a motive to execute everyone a killer going there to execute everyone would bring his own weapon not use the Anschutz. 

Jeremy felt the only way to keep suspicion off himself would be to frame Sheila and a first his plan worked. It fell apart once the lab weighed in and Julie came clean.   

A burglar that doesn't steal anything?

[Alias]

But you keep asking who would stage a multiple shot suicide? Whether Bamber did it himself, or engaged a hit man (which I think is HIGHLY UNLIKELY), it would still mean that a multiple shot suicide had to be staged.

I happen to think that is actually a good question. Who would? No one!

[Jane]

A burglar that doesn't steal anything?

Yeh, Jeremy could hardly carry a secretaire or a prie Dieu home on his back. The most he could have taken were probably no more than a few thousand quid in family jewels and how would he have got rid of OR explained them?

[lookout]

 Jeremy would have removed a bullet first for the final shot.

[Adam]

It was not a multiple shot suicide. It was a two shot suicide. Which does happen.

[Adam]

Problems with the fake psychopath option -

Jeremy could not insinuate Sheila. Something he has been doing for 30 years. 

Jeremy would still be first on the scene anyway. Threads created. 

I have never heard of such an incident. A stranger going to a remote farm house. Killing men women and children. Then leaving. 

A psychopath is more likely to attack an individual. Probably one person he could over power. Rather than put himself up against five people. 

If the police did not believe the random stranger theory, there would only be one suspect. 

A psychopath is more likely to attack in open land and an environment he knows. Not enclose himself in unfamiliar surroundings. 

Jeremy could not claim Neville phoned. 

The relatives would still suspect Jeremy. And he would still tell Julie. 

The psychopath would have to find a quiet way into WHF. Something Jeremy liked to keep secret from the police. 

Julie never said this was an option Jeremy considered. Even he is not that stupid. 

He could not create the siege and 'Crazy Sheila' situation. 

There would be no sightings of mysterious men in the area. As there were not any. 

Psychopaths usually attack women for sexual gratification, such as Robert Napper. I have never heard of one killing children and men as well in one spree. 

The random stranger would have to attack using a weapon he had brought over. Such as a knife. He would not know about the guns in WHF. Or whether they were loaded. 

I could create 40 points. 


The police did not believe the Sheila did it theory. They will not believe this one. There was once again a motive, opportunity and no alibi for Jeremy. 

[Caroline]

Jeremy would have removed a bullet first for the final shot.

You know this because?

[Caroline]

The only suspect would be him.  He had opportunity, and motive to kill everyone in the house.  Who else would have the motive to kill everyone in the house?  A burglar?  No because a burglar would not need to kill victims in their sleep.  A burglar would at most kill the person(s) who discovered the burglar then would get out of there not reload and go room to room killing people who were still asleep thus could not ID the burglar.

Aside from Jeremy being the only one with a motive to execute everyone a killer going there to execute everyone would bring his own weapon not use the Anschutz. 

Jeremy felt the only way to keep suspicion off himself would be to frame Sheila and a first his plan worked. It fell apart once the lab weighed in and Julie came clean.   

I agree! He meddled too much getting himself out of the frame that he made himself the ONLY other suspect.

[scipio_usmc]

A burglar that doesn't steal anything?

I didn't address that because if someone wanted to stage it as a burglary they could steal things to make it look like one.  They could also ransack the house in support of such.  But even if Jeremy had done that it would still not address the fundamental problem I highlighted.  Burglars don't go room to room killing everyone in their sleep.   That is the sign of an execution.  That lack of any motive for anyone else to execute the whole family plus the fact the murder weapon was from the house presents a major problem for claiming it was an execution by someone outside of the family.  He picked the best staging scenario he simply botched it and his 2 most severe mistakes were telling Julie and using the moderator.  The other errors he made and other evidence just helps buttress these two main errors which really made the case. That is why in order to secure a new trial either Julie has to recant or moderator evidence has to be rebutted.

 

[Caroline]

I didn't address that because if someone wanted to stage it as a burglary they could steal things to make it look like one.  They could also ransack the house in support of such.  But even if Jeremy had done that it would still not address the fundamental problem I highlighted.  Burglars don't go room to room killing everyone in their sleep.   That is the sign of an execution.  That lack of any motive for anyone else to execute the whole family plus the fact the murder weapon was from the house presents a major problem for claiming it was an execution by someone outside of the family.  He picked the best staging scenario he simply botched it and his 2 most severe mistakes were telling Julie and using the moderator.  The other errors he made and other evidence just helps buttress these two main errors which really made the case. That is why in order to secure a new trial either Julie has to recant or moderator evidence has to be rebutted.

 

I was being facetious.

[Alias]

I don´t think I have to answer for what might have been, had Jeremy not staged suicide - I don´t think he was there, so it is all theoretical.