The killlers

[Adam]

Not stage a suicide, leave the door unlocked and not make up a phonecall.
I have also said that many times now.

I have never heard about another case of a two shot murder staged as suicide.

That puts him in a worse situation -

Not stage a suicide - He cannot insinuate Sheila.

Not make up a phone call - He has no alibi and is first on the scene.

Leave the door open - No one will believe a random psycho/burglar.

[guest154]

That puts him in a worse situation -

Not stage a suicide - He cannot insinuate Sheila.

Not make up a phone call - He has no alibi and is first on the scene.

Leave the door open - No one will believe a random psycho/burglar.

A random psycho/burglar what comes to WHF and uses the Bambers own gun!

[Adam]

I have no idea what Mike says.

Multiple shot suicides do happen, the question is would a killer stage a multiple shot murder as suicide.

You just have to accept this is what happened.

[Caroline]

A random psycho/burglar what comes to WHF and uses their own guns!

He doesn't break in either - or out! 

[Alias]

You just have to accept this is what happened.

I don´t have to accept anything! 

[Alias]

He doesn't break in either - or out! 

Those remarks are rather superfluent, since according to you all, he went with the staging of suicide to implicate Sheila.

[Jane]

I have no idea what Mike says.

Multiple shot suicides do happen, the question is would a killer stage a multiple shot murder as suicide.

Do you believe it more likely that Sheila shot herself twice than Jeremy HAD to shoot her twice because the first shot didn't kill her?

[scipio_usmc]

There have been threads on this.

Jeremy told the police Neville had rang him saying 'Sheila had gone crazy'. He later told the police Neville may have said 'she'after the police questioned her two bullets.

Jeremy said he was asleep in bed, so either Sheila alone massacred everyone. Or one/two random burglars/psychopaths broke in and killed everyone.

I am surprised Neville had time and decided to ring Jeremy in either situation.

A random burglar reloading to go room to room killing people who were asleep thus could not be witnesses against him makes no sense.

Someone being hired to assassinate them going there with no weapon and using the Anschutz makes even less sense.

The only thing that could be reasonably tried was the plan he had at the outset to frame Sheila.

[Caroline]

I have no idea what Mike says.

Multiple shot suicides do happen, the question is would a killer stage a multiple shot murder as suicide.

He didn't 'intend' to stage a multiple shot suicide. It happened, he had to just carry on. If he could make the phone call sound convincing, he had an alibi so the police wouldn't think he was a suspect. There is nothing he could do after the two shots had been fired, he couldn't 'unshoot' one of them. He had no choice but to go through with it. It wasn't 'part' of the plan - it was an unfortunate (or fortunate) mistake.

[Adam]

A random psycho/burglar what comes to WHF and uses the Bambers own gun!

There have been threads on both the random stranger and burglar framing options. Both terrible ideas.

Insinuating Sheila was easily his best option. Even though he had to shoot Sheila twice.

Alias is well aware of this but refuses to accept Jeremy's guilt. Clinging to the notion that Jeremy would make a 360 degree plan turn at the last minute after having to shoot Sheila twice.

[Jane]

Those remarks are rather superfluent, since according to you all, he went with the staging of suicide to implicate Sheila.

That WAS the name of the game. He stood outside with the police for HOURS telling them, not only how proficient she was with guns but also giving them chapter and verse on her mental state.

[scipio_usmc]

Could be a bottle top or an eraser - it's too difficult to tell but it does look like something that could only be treasure to a child.

It looks like the rubber tip of a badminton birdie. In any event it has no significance for the murders.

[Caroline]

Do you believe it more likely that Sheila shot herself twice than Jeremy HAD to shoot her twice because the first shot didn't kill her?

With one shot at an almost perfect right angle? Also if it was a hit man, wasn't he still STAGING a two shot suicide? One which Jeremy HAD to go along with?

[Alias]

Do you believe it more likely that Sheila shot herself twice than Jeremy HAD to shoot her twice because the first shot didn't kill her?

Yes, and there was some time between the shots.

[Caroline]

It looks like the rubber tip of a badminton birdie. In any event it has no significance for the murders.

Ha! Well done! I think that might be what it is, shuttle cock stripped of all but one feather (although it looks like the wrong kind of feather for that). They had tennis courts at WHF. I know it had nothing to do with the murders.