The killlers

[Adam]

It has been discussed before, so what, in fact I think it is not discussed enough. It is my stance, I find it unlikely that anyone would stage a two shot murder as suicide. Never heard of another case of it, only this one.

Supporters often mention that two shot suicides have happened. Then ask why Jeremy would stage a two shot suicide.

[Alias]

It may well be, that with hindsight, he wished he'd done something other.............Haven't we all, at some time? But, IMO, he HAD to go with what he'd planned from the start. It was too late, at that stage, to change things.

Hostile? Irritated? Neither, actually. Feeling rather pleased with myself. Bought 1 pair of jeans and the lovely guy on the till gave me 6 clothes hangers with grips. Gold dust!!!! Delighted.

Good!

The thing is, I cannot see that he HAD to go with what he had planned, because it cannot have felt right to stage that suicide. I think the only thing a person could do was to leave the place unlocked and not stage suicide.

[Adam]

Good!

The thing is, I cannot see that he HAD to go with what he had planned, because it cannot have felt right to stage that suicide. I think the only thing a person could do was to leave the place unlocked and not stage suicide.

Well he didn't. In hindsight I believe he made the right choice.

The police would never believe a random stranger or burglar theory. So he would still become the number one suspect. Especially if first on the scene in the morning.

Once a suspect he couldn't insinuate Sheila or claim Neville called him.

[Jane]

Good!

The thing is, I cannot see that he HAD to go with what he had planned, because it cannot have felt right to stage that suicide. I think the only thing a person could do was to leave the place unlocked and not stage suicide.

It wouldn't have felt right, to ME, to shoot all those people, either so I guess that"it cannot have felt right to stage that suicide" is relative. We can't make this about us and what WE would have done. THIS is about Jeremy -so there's going to be some guess work- and HIS mind-set. If we accept -although I know you don't- that he was capable of carrying out this deed, the one thing I doubt he'd have felt at that stage, was remorse, but I DO think he'd have felt anger and irritation at Sheila for causing him to get it wrong. If he'd been throwing around, for the best part of a year, the idea of staging her death as suicide, I think the idea would have been SO entrenched, that shifting his mind-set, with any clarity of thought, elsewhere, would have been difficult...................although he may have been able, later and away from the scene, to have seen a better course of action.

[Alias]

Well he didn't. In hindsight I believe he made the right choice.

The police would never believe a random stranger or burglar theory. So he would still become the number one suspect. Especially if first on the scene in the morning.

Once a suspect he couldn't insinuate Sheila or claim Neville called him.

Why? I don´t think that would change anything.

[Alias]

It wouldn't have felt right, to ME, to shoot all those people, either so I guess that"it cannot have felt right to stage that suicide" is relative. We can't make this about us and what WE would have done. THIS is about Jeremy -so there's going to be some guess work- and HIS mind-set. If we accept -although I know you don't- that he was capable of carrying out this deed, the one thing I doubt he'd have felt at that stage, was remorse, but I DO think he'd have felt anger and irritation at Sheila for causing him to get it wrong. If he'd been throwing around, for the best part of a year, the idea of staging her death as suicide, I think the idea would have been SO entrenched, that shifting his mind-set, with any clarity of thought, elsewhere, would have been difficult...................although he may have been able, later and away from the scene, to have seen a better course of action.

It was not just staged as suicide, it was a two shot suicide. I just don´t think anyone would do that, so I think it is unlikely that Jeremy committed the murders.

[lookout]

It was not just staged as suicide, it was a two shot suicide. I just don´t think anyone would do that, so I think it is unlikely that Jeremy committed the murders.

I agree with that as well. One shot followed the other.

[Jane]

It was not just staged as suicide, it was a two shot suicide. I just don´t think anyone would do that, so I think it is unlikely that Jeremy committed the murders.

It was planned as a ONE shot suicide, but like much else in life it didn't go to plan and ended up as a two shot suicide by default.

[Alias]

It was planned as a ONE shot suicide, but like much else in life it didn't go to plan and ended up as a two shot suicide by default.

He would have known by then that the rifle didn´t kill instantly with one shot.
I just don´t think he did it.

[Jane]

He would have known by then that the rifle didn´t kill instantly with one shot.
I just don´t think he did it.

But he wasn't trying to shoot like a champion marksman, he was trying to shoot like he thought Sheila would shoot. I have no doubt he COULD have killed them with one shot had he chosen.

The other, HIGHLY significant fact is, that HAD he changed tack, gone home and found the dreadful scene the next morning, WHERE is his alibi? He needed to be able to tell the police that his father had phoned him during the night or he'd have had no explanation for where he'd been.

[Adam]

Why? I don´t think that would change anything.

If he was first on the scene he has no alibi.

[Alias]

But he wasn't trying to shoot like a champion marksman, he was trying to shoot like he thought Sheila would shoot. I have no doubt he COULD have killed them with one shot had he chosen.

No, but he wouldn´t want to shoot someone he wanted to look like suicide twice - it is absurd.

[Jane]

No, but he wouldn´t want to shoot someone he wanted to look like suicide twice - it is absurd.

He didn't do it out of choice. He didn't kill her with the first shot so he had to leave her to either bleed to death or survive to tell the story..............I don't don't think he had MUCH by way of choice.

[Adam]

He would have known by then that the rifle didn´t kill instantly with one shot.
I just don´t think he did it.

There is no doubt Jeremy is guilty.

There is a mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence. Together with a motive, opportunity and no alibi.

You just choose to refuse to believe it on this incredibly weak reason. Which I already created a thread about.

Sheila shooting herself twice is just as unlikely. And you were unable to say how Sheila committed the massacre.

[Alias]

He didn't do it out of choice. He didn't kill her with the first shot so he had to leave her to either bleed to death or survive to tell the story..............I don't don't think he had MUCH by way of choice.

Yes, he had the choice not to stage suicide.