The killlers

[susan]

Lookout/Patti my take on the feather it is of  no significance really maybe one of the twins picked it up and brought it into the farm as a special find.

[Caroline]

It looks to me as if a child has stuck the feather in to something heavy to create a flying object.

Could be a bottle top or an eraser - it's too difficult to tell but it does look like something that could only be treasure to a child.

[Jane]

Could be a bottle top or an eraser - it's too difficult to tell but it does look like something that could only be treasure to a child.

The way the feather holder is shaped looks as if it COULD be one half of one of those Kinder egg things...............................tell me, WHY are we doing this over a mankey feather which can't even claim to have originated from something exotic?

[Caroline]

The way the feather holder is shaped looks as if it COULD be one half of one of those Kinder egg things...............................tell me, WHY are we doing this over a mankey feather which can't even claim to have originated from something exotic?

I certainly wouldn't want it dangling from my lugs 

[lookout]

 What Jeremy is doing right now,i.e. digging and delving into what he thinks happened,and by who and how is what all innocents do to look for the truth and what he hopes to do is to raise the serious doubt about the evidence which was against him.
This was why he first learned about mental health and the serious implications it can have,after having blamed Sheila for the massacre.
My other argument is why,when Jeremy FIRST blamed Sheila,weren't steps taken to look into Sheila's history with her GP/Psychiatrist,privately,to get an overall picture of her behaviour as part of the investigation ?
The first thing an alleged murderer does is blame someone else,so it would have been a vital part of this investigation to have looked at Sheila's background.
Jeremy made one big mistake at the very beginning by not ringing 999. His second was not engaging a solicitor immediately. Because he should have realised at the time that he was the only family member remaining,so should have acted quickly because he'd have been implicated.Did he not know this ? Didn't  it dawn on him at the time that he'd get the blame anyway ? He couldn't have been advised very well if at all.
I can only hope that there's a strong enough breakthrough when his next submission is accepted.

[lookout]

When MM was blamed,EP looked into his background etc,so just because Sheila happened to have been one of the deceased,why wasn't her state of health questioned ? It was still part of the investigation which ever way you looked at it.

[Alias]

I created a thread on this. As this is the point you keep mentioning to try show Jeremy is innocent.

The first shot didn't kill her. So he had to fire a second shot.

Then go on to stage it as suicide and make a call that excluded anyone but himself and Sheila as the killer.
I have to say that I have a hard time buying that anyone would be that stupid.
Imagine the situation: you have shot her twice, then you decide to stage it as a suicide. Nah.

[Jane]

Then go on to stage it as suicide and make a call that excluded anyone but himself and Sheila as the killer.
I have to say that I have a hard time buying that anyone would be that stupid.
Imagine the situation: you have shot her twice, then you decide to stage it as a suicide. Nah.

So you'd suggest what? A quick turnaround and make it look like a botched burglary in which, having slaughtered an entire family, the culprit escapes with nothing. I suppose he could have pocketed a handful of family jewellery but how would he have either disposed of it OR explained having it. I doubt the whole cache would have been considered worth killing all those people for

[Alias]

So you'd suggest what? A quick turnaround and make it look like a botched burglary in which, having slaughtered an entire family, the culprit escapes with nothing. I suppose he could have pocketed a handful of family jewellery but how would he have either disposed of it OR explained having it. I doubt the whole cache would have been considered worth killing all those people for

My only suggestions are, not to stage a suicide, not leave the door locked to open up other possibilities and not make a phonecall, which implicated only two peopele.

P.S. you sound a tad hostile, why is that? Irritated?

[Caroline]

Then go on to stage it as suicide and make a call that excluded anyone but himself and Sheila as the killer.
I have to say that I have a hard time buying that anyone would be that stupid.
Imagine the situation: you have shot her twice, then you decide to stage it as a suicide. Nah.

There are still people here who have asked how it could only have been Jeremy or Sheila, some still don't see that the phone call implicates Jeremy is Sheila is innocent; he (like them) didn't think it through. He only saw the call giving him an alibi - not that it also implicated him.

Criminals get caught because they make mistakes - this was his biggest.

[Alias]

There are still people here who have asked how it could only have been Jeremy or Sheila, some still don't see that the phone call implicates Jeremy is Sheila is innocent; he (like them) didn't think it through. He only saw the call giving him an alibi - not that it also implicated him.

Criminals get caught because they make mistakes - this was his biggest.

There is still the staging of suicide.

[Adam]

My only suggestions are, not to stage a suicide, not leave the door locked to open up other possibilities and not make a phonecall, which implicated only two peopele.

P.S. you sound a tad hostile, why is that? Irritated?

This has been discussed before. A lot.

Why not stage a suicide ? He can spend the next 30 years claiming it was Sheila.

He choose to phone the police and spend several hours insinuating Sheila. Rather than be first on the scene the following morning.

[Caroline]

There is still the staging of suicide.

That was the plan, he no other choice but to stick to it. Obviously the most important thing to him was to distance himself and that's why he 'needed' the phone call. He didn't have to explain the two shots, that would be up to police and as far as the they would know - he was at home - he must have been because his dad called him?

[Alias]

This has been discussed before. A lot.

Why not stage a suicide ? He can spend the next 30 years claiming it was Sheila.

He choose to phone the police and spend several hours insinuating Sheila. Rather than be first on the scene the following morning.

It has been discussed before, so what, in fact I think it is not discussed enough. It is my stance, I find it unlikely that anyone would stage a two shot murder as suicide. Never heard of another case of it, only this one.

[Jane]

My only suggestions are, not to stage a suicide, not leave the door locked to open up other possibilities and not make a phonecall, which implicated only two peopele.

P.S. you sound a tad hostile, why is that? Irritated?

It may well be, that with hindsight, he wished he'd done something other.............Haven't we all, at some time? But, IMO, he HAD to go with what he'd planned from the start. It was too late, at that stage, to change things.

Hostile? Irritated? Neither, actually. Feeling rather pleased with myself. Bought 1 pair of jeans and the lovely guy on the till gave me 6 clothes hangers with grips. Gold dust!!!! Delighted.