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Offline maggie

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2015, 10:39:PM »
As you can see, it's a blow up of this photograph.


Yes, no surprise to me, thought that went without saying??

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2015, 10:42:PM »
Lookout, the blood on her neck is dried, you can see the cracks towards the bottom of the trails.





The cracks are on the thinnest part of the blood trail which it would.It's the " centre " where it isn't,and where,if she's been dead for some time,would be brown and not red. In fact,like her mouth,the blood would have appeared to be black.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2015, 10:42:PM »
Yes, no surprise to me, thought that went without saying??
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Yea - we´re not stupid! LOLOL Love it when people think others are stupid....

SORRY, couldn´t help myself, I am bad! I´ll go and stand in a corner and be ashamed!

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2015, 10:46:PM »
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Yea - we´re not stupid! LOLOL Love it when people think others are stupid....

SORRY, couldn´t help myself, I am bad! I´ll go and stand in a corner and be ashamed!

Ahem, everybody WAS stupid and didn't realise the origins of the photograph until Bridget and I posted to show that they were both the same image.

Short memories?  ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2015, 10:58:PM »
Ahem, everybody WAS stupid and didn't realise the origins of the photograph until Bridget and I posted to show that they were both the same image.

Short memories?  ;D

No, I´m just bad.  8)

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« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2015, 11:04:PM »
No, I´m just bad.  8)

Evil lady!  >:(  ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2015, 12:05:AM »
always going off on tangents...

anyway a muzzle imprint from a rifle looks like this:



The imprint is seared into the skin it can't be washed away unlike soot which will simply wash away.  It is only possible with hard contact wounds which the fatal wound was not determined to be.

The diameter of the central hole will be very close to that of the barrel hole, which in this case is 6mm but the diameter of the hole of the fatal wound according to Vanezis was 4.75mm (3/16").

The outer ring would have an overall diameter of about 12mm. There isn't a defined outer ring at all let alone one that is around 12mm in diameter.

There isn't a defined outer ring 12mm in diameter for the nonfatal wound either.

Unlike the rifle that made the imprint I just posted the murder weapon has threading.  Depending on just how hard the contact is and how long the gun is in place etc it is possible for there to be other rings outside of the 12mm ring.  Note possible not mandatory. That is the kind of distinctive pattern showing the threading would indicate the rifle was used without the moderator.  A 12mm ring seared in the skin with a roughly 6mm perforation in the center could still be identified if it were defined well enough but there is another problem.

Let's just pretend the photos did show a ring of sorts that might be a muzzle impression. From a photo you can't necessarily tell if it is searing or soot etc. so that is one problem.  But worse, the moderator can leave marks nearly the same same as the rifle which makes it next to impossible to say which made the marks.

The only thing distinctive on the face of the moderator besides the hole is a round circle roughly 3mm  around the hole.  The diameter of the hole is 7mm so only 1mm more than the hole in the barrel of the rifle. The circle has a diameter of 13mm so only 1mm more than the edge of the rifle muzzle.  If an impression was left by just these 2 features it would be virtually the same size as the feature made by the rifle.  Only if the outer circle of the overall face of the moderator were left as well would it be distinguishable because the diameter of the entire face is 22mm which should be enough to be able to calculate the size difference one would think.

So even if there were a mark like the one above the prosecution would argue it could have been made the the moderator and there is no way the 1mm difference in size could be used to try to say it is more likely from 1 or the other.

So this whole line of inquiry is essentially hopeless.
       



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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2015, 01:08:AM »
Ahem, everybody WAS stupid and didn't realise the origins of the photograph until Bridget and I posted to show that they were both the same image.

Short memories?  ;D

This was before my time but I remember arguing with Bridget that the picture with the (so called) fresh blood, looked real - after she showed me the version with the dried blood it's obvious that there is no way any blood was flowing from any of the wounds when this was taken. Her skin is also discoloured and it's obvious she has been dead for quite some time.

To clarify, Bridget was right and I was wrong!
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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2015, 04:21:AM »
I miss Bridget.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2015, 06:49:AM »
This is clearer.


Thanks for that, Caroline. It is clearer. So too, is the dawning fact that MANY pictures may have been "enhanced" in order that we follow a particular chain of thought. Not to mention what is hinted at of those which probably don't exist...................at least in the form we're TOLD.

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« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2015, 06:50:AM »

Thanks for that, Caroline. It is clearer. So too, is the dawning fact that MANY pictures may have been "enhanced" in order that we follow a particular chain of thought. Not to mention what is hinted at of those which probably don't exist...................at least in the form we're TOLD.

Eye opening, isn't it?

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2015, 07:19:AM »
Eye opening, isn't it?


Yes, Mat. Faked blood!!. Fake bodies!!! Single bullet wounds!!!!! WhatEVER next, I ask myself.............at the moment my SELF hasn't responded to this question, but watch this space ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2015, 07:49:AM »

Yes, Mat. Faked blood!!. Fake bodies!!! Single bullet wounds!!!!! WhatEVER next, I ask myself.............at the moment my SELF hasn't responded to this question, but watch this space ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2015, 12:57:PM »
Planted sound moderator ......  :D



Good gracious!!!!!!!! I thought my SELF was female ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #89 on: March 16, 2015, 04:13:AM »
Fletcher's testimony confirms many of the things I have stated regarding backspatter and drawback

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3322.msg130425.html#msg130425
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