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Offline Jane

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2015, 09:21:PM »
Granted there is blood around so not the clearest picture but there isn't anything on her neck or chin around either wound that even remotely looks like a muzzle imprint:



The lower one has less blood in the way and is the one Fowler claims sounded like a muzzle imprint to him but none is visible.


It might be MORE believable if the blood from the top wound didn't look superimposed.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2015, 09:27:PM »
That other black mark beneath is a bit suspect.All in all there's something not right about that photo.

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2015, 10:04:PM »
Granted there is blood around so not the clearest picture but there isn't anything on her neck or chin around either wound that even remotely looks like a muzzle imprint:



The lower one has less blood in the way and is the one Fowler claims sounded like a muzzle imprint to him but none is visible.

That photo was embellished during the Italian advocates era. If you look at the other photos of Sheila, you can see that this is just a blow up which has been colourised to make the reds more pronounced.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2015, 10:11:PM »



They both look colour manipulated IMO.

That said, I can see on other photos that Sheila´s blood had coagulated and cracked, so she hadn´t died recently and the blood was not running from her wounds when the photos were taken.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2015, 10:13:PM »
They both look colour manipulated IMO.

That said, I can see on other photos that Sheila´s blood had coagulated and cracked, so she hadn´t died recently and the blood was not running from her wounds when the photos were taken.

This is clearer.
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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2015, 10:15:PM »
This is clearer.

I was just about to post that, beat me to it.  :D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2015, 10:17:PM »
As you can see, it's a blow up of this photograph.


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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2015, 10:18:PM »
I was just about to post that, beat me to it.  :D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2015, 10:20:PM »
There's still light bouncing off the shiny part of blood on her neck. It wouldn't if it was dried. It would be matt. Also,considering there's the same amount of blood collected across her mouth,which is brown,compared to that on her neck which is still red.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2015, 10:21:PM »
 " Trick of the light ",perhaps ? ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2015, 10:22:PM »

It might be MORE believable if the blood from the top wound didn't look superimposed.

A muzzle impression is a physical observation.  You either have to inspect the body in person or via photos. Those who physically inspected the body found no muzzle imprint.  So in trying to find a muzzle imprint the defense is limited to looking at the photos- which don't show anything that could be definitively established to be a muzzle imprint let alone an imprint that can be matched to the rifle.

To convince the court that there is a muzzle imprint tied to the rifle sans suppressor that would require showing a photo where you can demonstrate there are distinctive marks in the photos which can only have been made by the rifle muzzle touching that skin area and it being clear enough for the court to reject prosecution expert claims to the contrary and convince them Vanezis and the other trial experts messed up in not noticing the imprint.  I see it as an impossible task given the photos available.



 

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2015, 10:35:PM »
 The neck blood was still oxygenated,whereas from the mouth there wasn't a pumping mechanism,so I'd have said that she hadn't been dead that long before the photos were taken,whichever pic you choose.

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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2015, 10:35:PM »
There's still light bouncing off the shiny part of blood on her neck. It wouldn't if it was dried. It would be matt. Also,considering there's the same amount of blood collected across her mouth,which is brown,compared to that on her neck which is still red.

Lookout, the blood on her neck is dried, you can see the cracks towards the bottom of the trails.
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Re: Drawback Analysis
« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2015, 10:37:PM »
Also, her body was found just before 8 am,  and the photographs were taken between 10 and 11 am.