Author Topic: 'The last supper' - The final preparations, or a 'curious coincidence' ?  (Read 4902 times)

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Offline Adam

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Jeremy did not have a key to WHF.

So would have been taking a big risk not entering WHF at 9pm on the massacre night for the alleged supper.

At 2.00am he would have had to force entry to the bathroom window, look for the rifle and matching bullets, then load the rifle. Without being heard.

He also could not claim there was a 'conversation about fostering' a few hours earlier. Or that there was a loaded rifle available for Sheila.

I'm sure even supporters agree it was a 'curious coincidence' that Jeremy had a 9pm supper with Neville, June and Sheila.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2015, 06:06:PM by Adam »
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Jeremy did not have a key to WHF.

So would have been taking a big risk not entering WHF at 9pm on the massacre night for the alleged supper.

At 2.00am he would have had to force entry to the bathroom window, look for the rifle and matching bullets, then load the rifle. Without being heard.

He also could not claim there was a 'conversation about fostering' a few hours earlier. Or that there was a loaded rifle available for Sheila.

I'm sure even supporters agree it was a 'curious coincidence' that Jeremy had a 9pm supper with Neville, June and Sheila.

Not really, Adam, I see nothing curious in it.

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Jeremy did not have a key to WHF.

So would have been taking a big risk not entering WHF at 9pm on the massacre night for the alleged supper.

At 2.00am he would have had to force entry to the bathroom window, look for the rifle and matching bullets, then load the rifle. Without being heard.

He also could not claim there was a 'conversation about fostering' a few hours earlier. Or that there was a loaded rifle available for Sheila.

I'm sure even supporters agree it was a 'curious coincidence' that Jeremy had a 9pm supper with Neville, June and Sheila.

Having dinner with them allowed him to claim to police there was the discussion about fostering the children that evening.  Such discussion could have happened a previous time or might not have happened yet at all he may have killed everyone before the parents had a chance to broach it.  It also permitted him to MAKE up the claim he loaded the rifle and left it and extra bullets out.

He had no need to have dinner with them in order to be able to load the weapon and prepare things.  He could have done that at any time of the day.  He knew how to unlock the windows from the outside, knew there was an extra key in the coal shed and contrary to his claims it isn't clear the key was always kept inside the door lock at night, plus leaving a window unlocked could have been done prior to leaving work at 6PM.  There is nothing to suggest the family went around checking the locks on the windows each night so nothing to suggest he would have to wait till 9PM to unlock a window.

Eating dinner provided him with the opportunity to claim to police he was there to overhear discussions taking place and present to load the gun and leave it.

I never saw anyone ask if he stayed there Monday night to eat dinner with his sister and nephews.  Usually you would eat the initial night or final night of a stay if only doing it once though some would eat dinner each night with them.   
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Having dinner with them allowed him to claim to police there was the discussion about fostering the children that evening.  Such discussion could have happened a previous time or might not have happened yet at all he may have killed everyone before the parents had a chance to broach it.  It also permitted him to MAKE up the claim he loaded the rifle and left it and extra bullets out.

He had no need to have dinner with them in order to be able to load the weapon and prepare things.  He could have done that at any time of the day.  He knew how to unlock the windows from the outside, knew there was an extra key in the coal shed and contrary to his claims it isn't clear the key was always kept inside the door lock at night, plus leaving a window unlocked could have been done prior to leaving work at 6PM.  There is nothing to suggest the family went around checking the locks on the windows each night so nothing to suggest he would have to wait till 9PM to unlock a window.

Eating dinner provided him with the opportunity to claim to police he was there to overhear discussions taking place and present to load the gun and leave it.

I never saw anyone ask if he stayed there Monday night to eat dinner with his sister and nephews.  Usually you would eat the initial night or final night of a stay if only doing it once though some would eat dinner each night with them.   


Ha!!! I HAD just been about to ask the question......................although I guess an answer can only be speculative. He actually DID stay for supper on the last night of Sheila's visit, didn't he?

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If Jeremy said that there was a discussion about having the children fostered,then it was the truth. You're as bad as RWB saying there was no such thing taking place,and how the heck would he know ?
The idea was to give both Sheila and June some respite. Sheila having been released from hospital that year and June getting over another bout of depression.
There was also the suggestion that Sheila would benefit from convalescing at the coast of Eastbourne.

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If Jeremy said that there was a discussion about having the children fostered,then it was the truth. You're as bad as RWB saying there was no such thing taking place,and how the heck would he know ?
The idea was to give both Sheila and June some respite. Sheila having been released from hospital that year and June getting over another bout of depression.
There was also the suggestion that Sheila would benefit from convalescing at the coast of Eastbourne.


I think what is being suggested is that it may NOT have occurred that night, but at some other time, either with Sheila being present OR simply mulled over prior to her arrival.

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Ha!!! I HAD just been about to ask the question......................although I guess an answer can only be speculative. He actually DID stay for supper on the last night of Sheila's visit, didn't he?

It was her last night there because he killed her.  Weren't they supposed to stay longer had she not been killed or were they supposed to be leaving on Wednesday?  That's even more suspicious if they were killed the last night they stayed so he would not have had the chance to kill them all in the same location after that night.  I was under the impression they were staying till Friday or the weekend.
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Well he was working during the day.

Sneaking off to force entry into a window in broad daylight was risky. And wasn't June, or BW, or the housekeeper in the house ? Or even Neville ?  He did live there.

To have supper allows him to see rabbits and load the rifle. And put it in an accessible place, where Neville would not look. Open the bathroom window and ensure everyone was sleeping at WHF. As well as tell the police the loaded rifle was left out only 5 hours earlier.

The fostering conversation also carries a lot of weight if it is said hours before a massacre.
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It was her last night there because he killed her.  Weren't they supposed to stay longer had she not been killed or were they supposed to be leaving on Wednesday?  That's even more suspicious if they were killed the last night they stayed so he would not have had the chance to kill them all in the same location after that night.  I was under the impression they were staying till Friday or the weekend.


I think there COULD be a problem here with out respective senses of humour??? ;D The reason I said Jeremy was there on the last night of her visit was because she (sadly) didn't live to SEE another night.

I seem to think that Colin was taking the boys away on Friday of that week and they and Sheila were due to leave the farm on Thursday but DON'T quote me.

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Jeremy had to make sure everyone was sleeping at WHF.

One of the twins may have had an accident and been rushed to hospital by June and Sheila.  Or June may have decided to stay at a relatives.

Unlikely but when there is over £436,000  at stake it is better to check.

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If Jeremy said that there was a discussion about having the children fostered,then it was the truth. You're as bad as RWB saying there was no such thing taking place,and how the heck would he know ?
The idea was to give both Sheila and June some respite. Sheila having been released from hospital that year and June getting over another bout of depression.
There was also the suggestion that Sheila would benefit from convalescing at the coast of Eastbourne.

This shows again your bias.  According to you everything Jeremy says MUST be true and the police have to have been lying though Jeremy is the one with the strongest motivation to lie and a great deal of evidence established he lied about many things.

We know through objective evidence the parents planned to pose to Sheila the idea of part time foster care.  We have no way to know whether had a chance to talk to Sheila about such before she died.  If they did it could have taken place at a different time than Jeremy claims.  We only have Jeremy's word that it took place the evening of the murders and while you choose to believe anything he claims without exception not matter what evidence there is to the contrary- I take his claims as unsupported allegations unless there is proof that such things occurred or there is no reason he would lie so his claims appear to be truthful.

He had a reason to lie and claim the discussion took place right before the murders.  He was claiming such was the motivation for killing them that night so naturally he had a reason to lie about he timing and lie to say they spoke to Sheila even if they chickened out like Colin or didn't have the opportunity yet.

So we can't be sure he is telling the truth.
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 You hang on to your BIAS and I'll stick to mine---------okay ?

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I think there COULD be a problem here with out respective senses of humour??? ;D The reason I said Jeremy was there on the last night of her visit was because she (sadly) didn't live to SEE another night.

I seem to think that Colin was taking the boys away on Friday of that week and they and Sheila were due to leave the farm on Thursday but DON'T quote me.

I understood what you meant.  I tried tossing you a life raft so it wouldn't appear like such a poor tasting comment.  You ruined my effort with this admission though...




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I understood what you meant.  I tried tossing you a life raft so it would appear like such a poor tasting comment.  You ruined my effort with this admission though...



Your unexpected generosity overwhelms me, Scipio. Thank-you :)

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Your unexpected generosity overwhelms me, Scipio. Thank-you :)

I meant "wouldn't" of course
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