What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?

[lookout]

Firstly, I was in NO way suggesting that Jeremy could be considered to have the skills of a surgeon but he DID like to imagine himself as a high flyer without having to put in  the background work to achieve it. I would suggest that he liked to be seen as a risk taker........................and a psychopath CAN'T be judged by whether or not they'd pull a jumper over their heads.

I'd have had him down as a big Jessie,as I was never fond of " pretty boys ".A wimp who never liked getting his hands dirty.I bet he didn't have any segs on his hands like his dad would have had.

[Steve_uk]

I'd have had him down as a big Jessie,as I was never fond of " pretty boys ".A wimp who never liked getting his hands dirty.I bet he didn't have any segs on his hands like his dad would have had.

But sometimes these can be the worst offenders when they do finally blow their top. Jeremy seemed to be a curious mix of pub loudmouth when he wanted to impress and taciturn individual midweek when he perceived that he had been put out to grass at Bourtree Cottage.

[Jane]

I'd have had him down as a big Jessie,as I was never fond of " pretty boys ".A wimp who never liked getting his hands dirty.I bet he didn't have any segs on his hands like his dad would have had.

Lookout, I think you're correct in  that he probably HATED getting his hands dirty. I wouldn't have fitted with the image of himself he appeared to have. It must also be remembered that some of this recall is from his peer group and probably goes back 35 years.

[lookout]

But sometimes these can be the worst offenders when they do finally blow their top. Jeremy seemed to be a curious mix of pub loudmouth when he wanted to impress and taciturn individual midweek when he perceived that he had been put out to grass at Bourtree Cottage.

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

[scipio_usmc]

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

In another thread you swore your objectivity claiming you didn't know Jeremy or anything about him and thus were not evaluating things based on being biased toward him.

Now you are suggesting you know his character so well you know he can't have done it.

Aside from contradicting yourself you are ultimately demonstrating that instead of evaluating this case on the evidence you are deciding it based on emotion.

[Alias]

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

There is bound to have been a change in him in any case. Either he killed his whole family or he lost his whole family in one go. In both instances, there would be change in him, and Julie wouldn´t be able to tell what was what.

[Steve_uk]

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

I think he learned to keep quiet during his Gresham days,when he must have realized there were some brilliant pupils who liked to hog the limelight,yet he himself had no intellect to proffer in placing him in the consciousness of his schoolmasters. There was Jeremy desperate for attention,yet abandoned in that bleak Norfolk outpost for weeks on end with no recorded visit from either parent. The modicum of respectability he received was for his gun skills,a talent inherited from his biological father,and this must have stuck in his memory.

Of course Jeremy did blurt out truths from time to time,such as telling Suzanne Battersby shortly after the murders that he was "the only one who knew the truth that night",but the truth remained dormant as the relentless tease regained command and the enigmatic Jeremy attempts to make up for lost time by coveting the recognition he never received all those years ago from the comfort and safety of a prison cell.

[Jane]

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

Not so much a loud mouth as a big mouth, Lookout. Boastful and self important. He'd been educated to the point where he knew exactly WHAT to say and HOW to say it to have the greatest impact.

[lookout]

Not so much a loud mouth as a big mouth, Lookout. Boastful and self important. He'd been educated to the point where he knew exactly WHAT to say and HOW to say it to have the greatest impact.

I think that most people can be that way from time to time.It would depend on the circumstances at that time. Particularly when young. He won't be like that now he's faced reality after a pretty sheltered life. Though not a nice way to find out.

[Jane]

I can't even imagine him having had the energy to blow his top.Yes a loudmouth no doubt,but loudmouths have a habit of speaking out of turn and usually go too far if you get what my meaning is. In other words,he wouldn't have been able to have kept quiet for very long if he'd been a murderer. It would have surfaced sooner or later.
It's the quiet,insignificant ones that are the ones to watch. You won't very often find an out-going flamboyant person who's a murderer.
Because Jeremy was the type I've described,everyone,including Julie especially would have noticed the immediate change if he'd killed someone.

Lookout, I don't believe that Jeremy EVER "was the type I've described." The person you've described is quite other than the person described by his contemporaries. However, if the person YOU describe is the person Jeremy has conveyed himself to you as having once been, it's very possible that this is the person he WANTS you to see him as being and I suspect you wouldn't have a problem with seeing him that way. 35 years on it can't be easy for him to recall exactly who he was then but he probably IS different now.

[tyler]

There is no evidence that Jeremy is a psychopath. If he had been deemed so,by a professional, Im sure it would have leaked out into the media.But 30 years and........nothing.

[Caroline]

There is no evidence that Jeremy is a psychopath. If he had been deemed so,by a professional, Im sure it would have leaked out into the media.But 30 years and........nothing.

How many times has he been tested specifically for psychopathy? Yes, he has had assessments but if they're non specific then we can't really say in 30 years no one has detected psychopathy.

[lookout]

How many times has he been tested specifically for psychopathy? Yes, he has had assessments but if they're non specific then we can't really say in 30 years no one has detected psychopathy.

I rather feel that prisoners such as Jeremy are assessed on an annual basis to cover their own backs,in case those who HAVE got an underlying mental health problem don't " fall through the net ",for as we know,those who've shown signs of having a violent tendency are usually transferred to Broadmoor or similar for their own safety as well as that of the staff and the other in-mates.
30 years IS a long time,and certainly ample time for a mental problem not to show itself in some way.
It would take a " normal " person all their time to be pinned down and scrutinised on a daily basis without bursting into a tirade of physical and verbal abuse.
Nobody knows the prisoners better than the officers who are there on a daily/nightly basis who make reports exactly the same as is done in hospital,more so today on account of the many litigations that are in progress,both in prisons and the NHS.

[Caroline]

I rather feel that prisoners such as Jeremy are assessed on an annual basis to cover their own backs,in case those who HAVE got an underlying mental health problem don't " fall through the net ",for as we know,those who've shown signs of having a violent tendency are usually transferred to Broadmoor or similar for their own safety as well as that of the staff and the other in-mates.
30 years IS a long time,and certainly ample time for a mental problem not to show itself in some way.
It would take a " normal " person all their time to be pinned down and scrutinised on a daily basis without bursting into a tirade of physical and verbal abuse.
Nobody knows the prisoners better than the officers who are there on a daily/nightly basis who make reports exactly the same as is done in hospital,more so today on account of the many litigations that are in progress,both in prisons and the NHS.

No they aren't.

[lookout]

No they aren't.

Have you been told so ?
Do they not report any sudden " strange " behaviour ,so that a further assessment can take place ?