What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?

[John]

Easy to say that,isn't it ? It's what I call a cop-out,and in your case,a very befitting comment.

The evidence which convicted him is there for all to see but you obviously are too blinkered to acknowledge it lookout. 

In all the time you have been posting the same mantra, you haven't once been able to provide a single piece of evidence which throws any doubt on Jerry's conviction.

You know very well that the evidence as exists rules out stranger involvement which therefore leaves only two scenarios and two individuals who had the opportunity and means to do it.  The mountain of forensic evidence which is there for all to see and which you conveniently choose to ignore clearly rules Sheila out of any involvement so that leaves only one person, Jeremy Bamber himself.

You can bleat on about him being innocent until the cows come home but it won't change anything.  There is no new evidence, there will be no further CCRC review and most certainly no new appeal.  The case is done and dusted.

[lookout]

The evidence which convicted him is there for all to see but you obviously are too blinkered to acknowledge it lookout. 

In all the time you have been posting the same mantra, you haven't once been able to provide a single piece of evidence which throws any doubt on Jerry's conviction.

You know very well that the evidence as exists rules out stranger involvement which therefore leaves only two scenarios.  The mountain of forensic evidence which is there for all to see and which you conveniently choose to ignore clearly rules Sheila out of any involvement and that leaves only one person, Jeremy Bamber himself.

You can bleat on about him being innocent until the cows come home but it won't change anything.  There is no new evidence, there will be no further CCRC review and most certainly no new appeal.

 How many times have I been told that the " evidence " is there to see--------------where ?

I haven't given any evidence,because there simply isn't any that I can see which sees him as the guilty one. To me,seeing is believing,but I fail to see what you ALL see.

The first time a submission was put forward,so far as I understand,it was EP who were holding back vital documents and flatly refused to submit them to the CCRC. Why ? What was that about ?
The second time,CCRC refused to grant more time in which to collate the heaps of documents.
So what's going on ? As both times,new evidence was sought.

How many signatures have you got on your petition ??

[susan]

lookout since Patti mentioned the hymn I have never stopped singing it times like this my hubby wishes he was deaf

[lookout]

 I was humming it before too. Cats didn't mind Always reminds me of the school hall.

[lookout]

I love the Welsh male voice choirs. Finest singers in the world. That should be our National Anthem,not the droning thing we have in place.Every other nationality has got lovely,lively anthems,bar us.

I like the Welsh,Australian,German and French,oh and Manx one too.
The Australian one is sung by a Welsh choir too. " I still call Australia home ".

Advance Australia Fair is the Aussie anthem,not the above one,although it's still sung at occasions.

[scipio_usmc]

Most Jeremy supporters have not answered Caroline's question.  I am still waiting to see a cogent response that sets forth why someone believes he is innocent which is supported by evidence and well articulated thought.

here seems to just be general feelings of suspicion of family and police and then giant leaps that they must have planted evidence though there is nothing at all to support such giant leaps.

[scipio_usmc]

 How many times have I been told that the " evidence " is there to see--------------where ?

I haven't given any evidence,because there simply isn't any that I can see which sees him as the guilty one. To me,seeing is believing,but I fail to see what you ALL see.

The first time a submission was put forward,so far as I understand,it was EP who were holding back vital documents and flatly refused to submit them to the CCRC. Why ? What was that about ?
The second time,CCRC refused to grant more time in which to collate the heaps of documents.
So what's going on ? As both times,new evidence was sought.

How many signatures have you got on your petition ??

For starters here is the main evidence that convicted him:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6505.0.html

You have not once rebutted this evidence you just resort to the childish cop-out of saying there is no evidence and that you refuse to recgognize this as evidence.  That just means you live in denial.

[lookout]

I say he's innocent because NOTHING has been proved otherwise. Yes,it's as simple as that.
To have been arrested,charged,convicted and then imprisoned doesn't mean that he's guilty.You'll have to do better than that.
He wasn't actually arrested for the murders. He was " weaned " into the system by means of firstly being charged with the burglary at the caravan sight,as it being his first and only offence,so EP used that to their advantage. Then came the questioning about the murders and because nobody liked his gung-ho attitude,that,unfortunately,got Jeremy where he is today.

[John]

 How many times have I been told that the " evidence " is there to see--------------where ?

I haven't given any evidence,because there simply isn't any that I can see which sees him as the guilty one. To me,seeing is believing,but I fail to see what you ALL see.

The first time a submission was put forward,so far as I understand,it was EP who were holding back vital documents and flatly refused to submit them to the CCRC. Why ? What was that about ?
The second time,CCRC refused to grant more time in which to collate the heaps of documents.
So what's going on ? As both times,new evidence was sought.

How many signatures have you got on your petition ??

What has Essex Police withholding files got to do with it?   The CCRC are entitled to view any documents which they have done and still they decided there were no reasons to refer the case to the Court of Appeal.   Maybe your conspiracy theory extends to the CCRC as well?

Face facts lookout, Jeremy is still in prison because the evidence supports his conviction.

[Patti]

Patti took information from a debate I had with Holly on red.  It is not my fault that Patti decided to take such information and advance it here.  Since she decided to do so and is advancing it I have the right to confront Patti with the evidence it is wrong.

Patti is falsely claiming Holly presented proof that the moderator would not be able to get drawback inside.  Holly made up that conclusion she had no source that stated it.  She found a source that said moderators can impact the issue without explaining what that impact would be.  Holly misrepresents this source as stating drawback would not be possible.

She also misrepresents that the only thing that causes drawback are the gases that come out of a gun, then made up on her own that the reduction in gas pressure caused by a moderator is so great that the gas that comes out will not be able to cause drawback.  She presented no source for the claim that drawback can't occur she made it up herself.

I already refuted this babble on red before Patti adopted it here.

It is not babble and please stop saying I am biased, just because you are incorrect on a point.  I seek the truth and that is that and the truth of the matter is that we do not know if draw-back could apply to that weapon/silencer/bullets.

I have pointed out to you that weapons with silencers fitted reduces the gases that cause blow-back. I also provided you with screen shots and video showing this.

Why you wont/can't take that on board is of no interest to me, it just tells me that it is you who is biased and can't take it when you lose a point. If I sad paper was black and I had 10 people who confirmed it was black you would find answers to make out I was either bias or telling an untruth.

More tests are needed to make a definitive conclusion, using the same type of weapon etc.  What is also crucial and it is something you have ignored completely is the fact that although it is possible Sheila had a contact shot it was not a contact shot to head and this reduces the blow-back effect even more so.

You lost on the argument long before you intended to destroy my adaptation on it. 

[John]

I say he's innocent because NOTHING has been proved otherwise. Yes,it's as simple as that.
To have been arrested,charged,convicted and then imprisoned doesn't mean that he's guilty.You'll have to do better than that.
He wasn't actually arrested for the murders. He was " weaned " into the system by means of firstly being charged with the burglary at the caravan sight,as it being his first and only offence,so EP used that to their advantage. Then came the questioning about the murders and because nobody liked his gung-ho attitude,that,unfortunately,got Jeremy where he is today.

Now I get it.   In your opinion Jeremy is where he is today because of his attitude?  Why didn't you say so in the first place, we could have saved so many wasted posts.

Poor boy never had a chance what with him being so hated and all.   :D

[lookout]

What has Essex Police withholding files got to do with it?   The CCRC are entitled to view any documents which they have done and still they decided there were no reasons to refer the case to the Court of Appeal.   Maybe your conspiracy theory extends to the CCRC as well?

Face facts lookout, Jeremy is still in prison because the evidence supports his conviction.

The solicitor at the time,wanted those files to hand in to the CCRC,but EP refused them,so I'm asking you why. The CCRC weren't even given the privilege of looking at certain documents because EP had them and wouldn't hand them over.

What evidence is it that supports his conviction------------for the umpteenth time ?

[lookout]

Now I get it.   In your opinion Jeremy is where he is today because of his attitude?  Why didn't you say so in the first place, we could have saved so many wasted posts.

Poor boy never had a chance what with him being so hated and all.   :D

He WAS and still IS hated by ALL. Still doesn't equate to him being a murderer though,no matter how much he's hated.  Perhaps he'd have been better off being a slob !!

[Jane]

He WAS and still IS hated by ALL. Still doesn't equate to him being a murderer though,no matter how much he's hated.  Perhaps he'd have been better off being a slob !!

Certainly ditching the superior, gung-ho attitude in the face of five tragic murders might have helped.

[lookout]

He WAS and still IS hated by ALL. Still doesn't equate to him being a murderer though,no matter how much he's hated.  Perhaps he'd have been better off being a slob !!

After all,your sort prefer slobs,they're easier to manipulate.A chap such as Jeremy,who was laid-back and arrogant,are your greatest enemies. They mustn't belittle the force-------oh no,or it's curtains for the victim. So he became the typical patsy. Musn't speak ill of the dead,but it was S Jones who was the instigator in all of this.