What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?

[Adam]

I am sure Nugs is writing out a detailed point by point summary of how Sheila committed the massacre as I write.

[Adam]

Seems I was wrong about Nugs.

[nugnug]

if went around saying the earth was flat and ian brady was wrongly convicted would people spend half all there waking hours of the day trying to prove me wrong or would they think they dident need to.

[John]

John, was there a lock and key to Sheila´s room?

Yes, all main doors had locks like the one below.

[lookout]

It'll take the cleverest of persons to analyse the contents of thousands of files/documents to conclude that Jeremy is indeed innocent.
Why has Jeremy bothered ?. Why have lawyers shown an interest ?. 30 years. Why haven't these people themselves spoken out about it being " a waste of time,etc ?".
 Fresh minds on the case presently, is likened to a " new broom ". At least they don't need,or have to go over old ground.

[Jane]

And what you think is entirely your prerogative. At least you are in agreeance with the way the trial was conducted. At least another appeal would put Jeremy on the right track this time.
I'm afraid I haven't found a scrap of evidence against him. Proper evidence I'm talking about.

The reason nothing else can be said is because those who think him guilty have used up ALL the resources that were already in place,i.e  links,books,media,relatives, ex girlfriend,police,professionals.
How easy was that to deduce ?

I wonder how many more who are in prison without benefit of what you deem to be "proper" evidence, but as you have previously stated, you have no interest in their cases. It is VERY possible however that despite what you refer to as lack of "proper" evidence, they are, indeed, guilty. I'm told that other than those who have admitted their guilt, EVERY prisoner is innocent. That would put more innocent people behind bars than in front of them, wouldn't it?

[Alias]

Yes, all main doors had locks like the one below.

How do you know that? All the doors weren´t (aren´t) necessarily the same, I have never seen a picture of the door to Sheila´s room. Further, even though there are locks, it doesn´t necessarily mean there are keys - it is like that in my home. Keyholes in all doors, but not keys in all of them - actually  keys for very few doors.
I have never heard from the prosecution that they suggested that Sheila had been locked in her room. I admit that that would be an explanation for where Sheila was during the other shootings, but I have never heard it, and I am sure they would have put it forward if that had been an option.

[Adam]

Yes, all main doors had locks like the one below.

Was that Sheila's room ? Or the main bedroom ?

Those doors look think. Supporters have said the walls at WHF were also thick.  A few shots from a rifle with a silencer on and a downstairs kitchen fight will be difficult or impossible to hear. If already fully awake.

If Sheila's bedroom was lockable, it was then an option for Jeremy to lock it, prior to shooting people. However I suspect he felt the killing of June and Neville would be quick,  clinical and silent. So no need.

[John]

How do you know that? All the doors weren´t (aren´t) necessarily the same, I have never seen a picture of the door to Sheila´s room. Further, even though there are locks, it doesn´t necessarily mean there are keys - it is like that in my home. Keyholes in all doors, but not keys in all of them - actually  keys for very few doors.
I have never heard from the prosecution that they suggested that Sheila had been locked in her room. I admit that that would be an explanation for where Sheila was during the other shootings, but I have never heard it, and I am sure they would have put it forward if that had been an option.

Have you read the entire trial transcript?

[lookout]

I wonder how many more who are in prison without benefit of what you deem to be "proper" evidence, but as you have previously stated, you have no interest in their cases. It is VERY possible however that despite what you refer to as lack of "proper" evidence, they are, indeed, guilty. I'm told that other than those who have admitted their guilt, EVERY prisoner is innocent. That would put more innocent people behind bars than in front of them, wouldn't it?

I don't doubt for one minute that there aren't MANY in prison who shouldn't be there. Jordan Cunliffe,who was used,because he's slightly backward and has problems with his eyesight. He happened to have been jailed " by association " and not having committed the crime itself.
In some cases I believe in this but like the " Human Rights ",it's been abused.
Jordan was with the gang who killed Gary Newlove,but he wasn't the one who murdered the man. Those like Jordan should be questioned as well as background checks made,and a thorough investigation done before being sent to prison.
This has also been treated as a MOJ. Checks SHOULD have been made on Jordan,as should be made on all those who are in prison just " for being at a scene of murder ",as those who have a low IQ are more likely to be in cahoots with gangs of this type,which doesn't always necessarily mean that they're capable of inflicting harm.

I've never said that every prisoner is innocent.Those are entirely your own words.What I am saying is the amount of prisoners who haven't been afforded a proper investigation at the beginning.Jeremy being one of them.

[John]

How was it not proper Lookout?  He did it didn't he?

[John]

Was that Sheila's room ? Or the main bedroom ?

Those doors look think. Supporters have said the walls at WHF were also thick.  A few shots from a rifle with a silencer on and a downstairs kitchen fight will be difficult or impossible to hear. If already fully awake.

If Sheila's bedroom was lockable, it was then an option for Jeremy to lock it, prior to shooting people. However I suspect he felt the killing of June and Neville would be quick,  clinical and silent. So no need.

That particular picture was taken in 2002 of the master bedroom.  The door locks have never been changed.

[Alias]

Sheilas room I believe.

No, it is the main bedroom. The door you see leads to the boxroom between the boys´ room and the bedroom.

[lookout]

How was it not proper Lookout?  He did it didn't he?

Not in my books he didn't do it. No. I've never seen a more farcical and bungled investigation carried out since I watched the Keystone Kops.

Bicycle,wetsuit,ets,etc. No forensic evidence,the list could go on,and does.

[Adam]

That particular picture was taken in 2002 of the master bedroom.  The door locks have never been changed.

Would Jeremy had entered through that door. Or was there one in the other corner of the bedroom ?