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Offline lookout

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2015, 11:48:AM »




Wrong,Caroline,I've NEVER thought him guilty ?






In loads of my posts I've quoted him as being innocent from day one,in fact as I remember the case itself in 1985,the first thing I'd said to myself when I saw on TV him,being led away the first time,that " he didn't do it ".
This is what made me unpopular on the forum/s. ::) ;D ;D 

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2015, 11:50:AM »

Ha, ha!! Sorry Lookout, I meant 'innocent'  ;D ;D ;D ;D





Ooooo,Caroline------------guilty has become a dirty word with me now. ;) ;) ;)

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2015, 11:51:AM »
Please refer to my deadline thread and inform me how Sheila committed the massacre.

Don't just write 'with a rifle' as Lookout did. Or refuse to answer, like Jan and Grahame have done.

I am generously extending the deadline for you as you were not posting at the time.

It will be easy, you believe Jeremy is innocent. All the evidence is available for you - bullet allocation, phone call times, body locations , fight location and injuries, amount of reloads, Sheila's condition at time of death.

Adam, this is a question for innocent supporters so bugger off with your deadline - no one is interested!
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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2015, 11:54:AM »
I am sure Nugs is writing out a detailed point by point summary of how Sheila committed the massacre as I write.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2015, 11:58:AM »
I am sure Nugs is writing out a detailed point by point summary of how Sheila committed the massacre as I write.

This thread isn't about that, now run along and attention seek somewhere else!
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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2015, 12:05:PM »
 As nugs remarked that it was Adam who convinces him of Jeremy's innocence.I can quite believe that too as it's a desperate attempt to seek out those who aren't as firm in their beliefs as I am.I won't be moved of course.

Too much of what I call  " nonsense " has been included in the case which footballers use the term " playing for time " where confusion has played a large part.The moderator which became a play on words because most,if not all the jury would have been familiar with such,nor would they have known one end of a rifle from the other. A whole session would have been " wasted " on this alone.
Then you had the police statements,some of which didn't ring true,along with laboratory staff,the pathologist ( who SHOULD have attended the deceased where they were found ) who was also confused about whose blood belonged to who.Then there were the relatives !!

In Jeremy's interview,what everyone will notice,is the absence of bitterness in a man who'd been clearly duped.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2015, 12:29:PM »
What 'particular' aspects of the case convince supporters that Jeremy is 'innocent'?

I have never been 100% sure that Jeremy is innocent although I tend to think he is.

The few percent that spoils it for me is the cleanness of Sheila and the silencer evidence. Although, both the cleanness and the silencer cold have an alternative to be considered.

The 10-2 majority. Not all the jurors thought he was guilty.

I am very suspicious of Jones, especially when he met the girls off duty and attended the bank with them.  He also told Colin not to mention he had changed his statement in court otherwise it would cause problems.  Plus, a year later he attended the girls flat to verify times on one of the clocks although the clock its self had been altered due to the clocks being put back in October 1985. He was the one that took the silencer. He was the one that was there that day when a paint sample was taken from the under shelf of the AGA.  A yellow sticker marks the place where the paint sample was taken, yet they failed to notice the scratch marks which were a inch away.  Jones was in it up to his neck, even to the point where he tells AE not to mention that he had taken a pair of black canvas shoes from Sheila's bedroom.  I do not trust his involvement in the case.

The windows, need I say anymore about them? 
The blood evidence was never fully examined.

No real forensic evidence was ever supplied in court other than the silencer evidence and even that could be flawed in court of today.

The blood on Sheila's arm form the wrist could have been back spatter, this was never fully examined.

The draw-back was fully examined in court.

The telephone was never fingerprinted.

Then there is the NOTW deal.

DNA??????????????

Its not what is said in court that provided the best evidence its the forensic evidence that tells the truth.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2015, 12:41:PM »
Please refer to my deadline thread and inform me how Sheila committed the massacre.

Don't just write 'with a rifle' as Lookout did. Or refuse to answer, like Jan and Grahame have done.

I am generously extending the deadline for you as you were not posting at the time.

It will be easy, you believe Jeremy is innocent. All the evidence is available for you - bullet allocation, phone call times, body locations , fight location and injuries, amount of reloads, Sheila's condition at time of death.


You really are behaving like a nasty, squawky, spoilt brat, stamping it's feet because it doesn't like the fact that other people are cleverer, nicer and more popular than it is, thereby detracting attention from it. This ISN'T your thread, so either accept that or as Caroline said, BUGGER OFF.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2015, 12:41:PM »
if your still trying to come up with theorys about how somone might of comited a crime 30 years after they have been convicted of it the conviction cant possbly be called safe.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2015, 12:46:PM »
It ISN'T safe,nugs. Anybody with half an eye can see that. Or anyone with a " feeling " about justice,too.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2015, 12:55:PM »
well to me the fact that various people are trying to prove his guilt doubt means his guilt hasn't been proved beyond doubt.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2015, 01:00:PM »
The whole scene of Jeremy expecting to be able to pull off a slaughter of a family of five in three different rooms - alone and with a weak firearm.
To me that is a stretch; how could he expect to control five people in three different rooms? If it were established he had an accomplice I would be on the guilty side.

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2015, 01:04:PM »
The whole scene of Jeremy expecting to be able to pull off a slaughter of a family of five in three different rooms - alone and with a weak firearm.
To me that is a stretch; how could he expect to control five people in three different rooms? If it were established he had an accomplice I would be on the guilty side.

No problem whatsoever.  The children were sound asleep so we can take them out of the equation straight away.  Sheila could easily be locked in her room.  Jeremy went straight into the master bedroom and shot June as she sat in bed and Nevill as he came to the door.

Easy wasn't it?  Like most things in the Bamber case they can all be explained.
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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2015, 01:06:PM »
well to me the fact that various people are trying to prove his guilt doubt means his guilt hasn't been proved beyond doubt.

That was done in 1986. 

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Re: What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2015, 01:07:PM »
The whole scene of Jeremy expecting to be able to pull off a slaughter of a family of five in three different rooms - alone and with a weak firearm.
To me that is a stretch; how could he expect to control five people in three different rooms? If it were established he had an accomplice I would be on the guilty side.


Does that mean you don't think Sheila did it, either. I would have thought that what proved difficult for Jeremy MAY have been impossible for Sheila.