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Offline Steve_uk

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« Reply #3180 on: February 18, 2024, 09:14:PM »
Gonzalo Lira was not a "Lord Haw Haw-type figure".  For a start he was not a Ukrainian citizen so could not be accused of treason.  He was courageous in expressing his opinion about Ukraine and exposing what was going on and as a result, as predicted, he was murdered by the fascism scum you support there.  This is not going to end well for your chums and I predict Zelensky will meet an unpleasant end at the hands of those he has served in Ukraine.  He is close to outliving his usefulness and they will dispose of him.
Lord Haw-Haw was an Irish American. No country in a state of war can tolerate propaganda disseminated in such a manner. Did you watch the video in #3177? I doubt it.

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« Reply #3181 on: February 18, 2024, 09:21:PM »
Lord Haw-Haw was an Irish American. No country in a state of war can tolerate propaganda disseminated in such a manner. Did you watch the video in #3177? I doubt it.

I know who Lord Haw-Haw was.  Are you really suggesting that Gonzalo Lira deserved to be killed because he disseminated "propaganda" against the corrupt Ukrainian regime?

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« Reply #3182 on: February 18, 2024, 09:42:PM »
I know who Lord Haw-Haw was.  Are you really suggesting that Gonzalo Lira deserved to be killed because he disseminated "propaganda" against the corrupt Ukrainian regime?
No, I'm suggesting that he died due to underlying health conditions and deficient treatment from Ukrainian hospitals, given that they are subject to Russian bombardment and a shortage of adequate medical supplies.

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« Reply #3183 on: February 18, 2024, 09:44:PM »
No, I'm suggesting that he died due to underlying health conditions and deficient treatment from Ukrainian hospitals, given that they are subject to Russian bombardment and a shortage of adequate medical supplies.

But Navalny was murdered?  You are unbelievable. 

 




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« Reply #3186 on: February 18, 2024, 10:11:PM »
But Gonzalo Lira was not?
No, his double pneumonia was probably brought on by his chain-smoking. Navalny was beaten to death, hence the bruising and non-disclosure of his body.

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« Reply #3187 on: February 19, 2024, 06:45:PM »
From the Metro newspaper:

PUTIN PLANNED MURDER DOWN TO THE SECOND

Vladimir Putin planned the killing of rival Alexei Navalny in minute detail, say supporters-pointing to a series of sinister events.

The anti-corruption campaigner died at a bleak jail in the Arctic Circle two days after officers of the FSB intelligence service visited to dismantle CCTV and listening devices, it is said. Critics pointed to the speed of officials' announcement of his death on Friday-saying a prepared statement was put out within two minutes. Four minutes later, state-controlled social media claimed the cause of death was a blood clot. And just seven minutes after that Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was giving details to the media.

"This rapid timing can only mean one thing," human rights group Gulagu.net said. "Everything was pre-planned and co-ordinated. Minute by minute. Second by second."

Yesterday the 47-year-old's body was finally located at a mortuary 30 miles from the remote Polar Wolf penal colony in Kharp, where he died-two days after his mother, Lyudmila Navalnaya, 69, arrived to be told it was not there.

First informed he died of a blood clot, she was later handed a death certificate blaming "sudden death syndrome".

News outlet Novaya Gazeta quoted a medic as saying the body showed bruising probably "from cardiac massage", adding: "So they did try to resuscitate him, and he probably died of cardiac arrest. But nobody is saying why he had a cardiac arrest." Four years ago the anti-corruption campaigner was poisoned with nerve agent Novichok, then given 30 years in jail on his return to Moscow.

Aide Kira Yarmysh insisted: "Alexei was murdered. The whole world knows the president of Russia personally gave this order." Dozens were arrested across Russia as they left flowers at shrines.

Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron has promised sanctions, and US President Joe Biden directly blamed Mr Putin.

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« Reply #3188 on: February 19, 2024, 07:16:PM »
Another death as predictable as Prigozhin's.

Navalny returned to Russia knowing death was likley. Hopefully it wont be in vain

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« Reply #3189 on: February 19, 2024, 08:24:PM »
Another death as predictable as Prigozhin's.

Navalny returned to Russia knowing death was likley. Hopefully it wont be in vain

I do not know why or how Navalny died and nor do you.  If he was murdered that is obviously unacceptable and should be condemned, but we do not currently have the information. What is clear is that Navalny was corrupt, a traitor and fully deserving of proper legal action in Russia as well as a thoroughly nasty racist and fascist.  He was certainly not a leader of the democratic opposition to Putin, the suggestion that he was such as promulgated by the MSM including the BBC being laughable.


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« Reply #3190 on: February 19, 2024, 09:41:PM »
I do not know why or how Navalny died and nor do you.  If he was murdered that is obviously unacceptable and should be condemned, but we do not currently have the information. What is clear is that Navalny was corrupt, a traitor and fully deserving of proper legal action in Russia as well as a thoroughly nasty racist and fascist.  He was certainly not a leader of the democratic opposition to Putin, the suggestion that he was as promulgated by the MSM including the BBC being laughable.


as promulgated by the MSM including the BBC is laughable.

He was not a Western liberal democrat by any means. He supported the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Georgia.

It was his high profile campaigns against corruption and his consistent demands for free and fair elections in Russia that got him sympathy.

He was seen as a potential threat to status quo in the Kremlin. Hence he has been eliminated and made an example of.
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« Reply #3191 on: February 20, 2024, 08:08:AM »
I do not know why or how Navalny died and nor do you.  If he was murdered that is obviously unacceptable and should be condemned, but we do not currently have the information. What is clear is that Navalny was corrupt, a traitor and fully deserving of proper legal action in Russia as well as a thoroughly nasty racist and fascist.  He was certainly not a leader of the democratic opposition to Putin, the suggestion that he was such as promulgated by the MSM including the BBC being laughable.
    Navalny, has served his last useful service to his western paymasters. Jailed and of no more use except as a martyr, he coincidentally became a martyr. The western media who share the same employers as Navalny were ready within minutes with their "Putin killed Navalny" headlines and stories complete with demands for more sanctions. Navalny's "wife" also by huge coincidence had been invited to the Munich Security conference where she spoke to the gathered "dignitaries"/stooges.
     It also dominated western news preventing any reporting from Adveevka which was an unmitigated disaster for the Ukraine and their western sponsors.
    Steve and David have got nothing right through the many years of this and other related threads and have learnt nothing. It has been noticeable, to me anyway NGB, that many more people are seeing through the obvious lies of Western governments and their PR arm in the media. People are not buying the obvious lies and the double standards are becoming too huge to ignore. David and Steve are becoming figures of mockery with their idiotic repeating of obvious lies. Believing western media, governments and intel agencies (all the same agency in reality) is the adult equivalent of the childish and unquestioning belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy of a five year old.
     They learnt nothing from the schooling that you just gave them. Same as always.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3192 on: February 23, 2024, 02:27:AM »

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3193 on: March 10, 2024, 04:25:PM »
     
"Western leaders are experiencing two stunning events: defeat in Ukraine, genocide in Palestine. The first is humiliating, the other shameful. Yet, they feel no humiliation or shame. Their actions show vividly that those sentiments are alien to them – unable to penetrate the entrenched barriers of dogma, arrogance and deep-seated insecurities. The last are personal as well as political. Therein lies a puzzle.  For, as a consequence, the West has set itself on a path of collective suicide. Moral suicide in Gaza; diplomatic suicide – the foundations laid in Europe, the Middle East and across Eurasia; economic suicide – the dollar-based global financial system jeopardized, Europe deindustrializing. It is not a pretty picture. Astoundingly, this self-destruction is occurring in the absence of any major trauma – external or internal. Therein lies another, related puzzle.

Some clues for these abnormalities are provided by their most recent responses as deteriorating conditions tighten the vise – on emotions, on prevailing policies, on domestic political worries, on ginger egos. Those responses fall under the category of panic behavior. Deep down, they are scared, fearful and agitated. Biden et al in Washington, Macron, Schulz, Sunak, Stoltenberg, von der Leyen. They lack the courage of their stated convictions or the courage to face reality squarely. The blunt truth is that they have contrived to get themselves, and their countries, in a quandary from which there is no escape conforming to their current self-defined interests and emotional engagement.  Hence, we observe an array of reactions that are feckless, grotesque and dangerous.
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 https://scheerpost.com/2024/03/08/michael-brenner-the-wests-reckoning/

    Read the full article linked above, Brenner nails it

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« Reply #3194 on: March 13, 2024, 07:32:PM »
I do not know why or how Navalny died and nor do you.  If he was murdered that is obviously unacceptable and should be condemned, but we do not currently have the information. What is clear is that Navalny was corrupt, a traitor and fully deserving of proper legal action in Russia as well as a thoroughly nasty racist and fascist.  He was certainly not a leader of the democratic opposition to Putin, the suggestion that he was such as promulgated by the MSM including the BBC being laughable.
There was no legal basis for Navalny's conviction. So says the ECHR and Amnesty International. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/russia-prisoner-of-conscience-aleksei-navalny-kremlins-most-vocal-opponent-dies-in-custody/