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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3120 on: December 15, 2023, 07:54:PM »
300,000 casualties?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-news-putin-health-counter-offensive-b2463751.html

Attrition and supressing all descent is the only thing preventing Putins humiliation. Forcing young Russians into the meat grinder.

With the election next year, he has nothing to worry about. Anyone capable of gaining widespread support against him is either dead or in prison.

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« Reply #3122 on: December 20, 2023, 08:40:PM »
An analysis of the current war situation. https://youtu.be/kYHeR93JzLE

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« Reply #3123 on: December 20, 2023, 10:56:PM »
An analysis of the current war situation. https://youtu.be/kYHeR93JzLE
    What do you think the end game looks like, Steve?
     It is clear to any impartial observer that Ukraine/NATO have no chance of achieving any of their declared aims(the retaking of territory). It is also clear that Ukraine/NATO are out of equipment, men and ideas and conversely that Russia have a battle hardened and rotated army much stronger than at the start of hostilities. The West simply cannot produce the weaponry to fight Russia as even Bell admits although he tries to spin it. It isn't really analysis, Steve. Bell is way too biased and he is spouting NATO copium. Russia has humiliated NATO and the rest of the world can see.
     At one point Bell tells us that although Russia may have won tactically, they have lost strategically. He bases this conclusion on the fact that the ICC have an arrest warrant out for Putin and the rest of the world can see that he can't travel. If that is the extent of your claims of success, it is as good as an admission of defeat. Pathetic.
     The NATO plan of over-extending Russia and giving them another "Afghanistan" has backfired spectacularly. It is the US and their not so merry band of thieves who are being drawn into multiple conflicts and being bled white. All the money and arms poured into Ukraine all for nothing. Ukraine and their sponsors will end up with less than if they had stuck to the Minsk Accords.
      All of this was entirely predictable and predicted from the beginning by anyone with any knowledge. Too many in the West, especially in media and government, ended up believing their own propaganda. Russia was weak economically and militarily, we were told, and Putin would be over thrown by Navalny or some such as soon as the "sanctions from hell" destroyed the "weak Russian economy". The Russian military was weak and would be crushed by the NATO armed, trained and funded Ukrainian Army plus assorted mercs. How's all that going?
      If anything at all is left of Ukraine as a state, it will be a demilitarised rump state. It is like watching a suicide by cop incident. Ukraine has committed suicide by Russia, at the behest of the interests of those that NATO protects(bankers and corporate financial interests). NATO have weakened themselves, not Russia. Ukraine has committed suicide by Russia.
      Ask yourself, Steve, outside of the Western media bubble, how do you think the ROTW sees things? African countries are increasingly moving away from the Western imperialists and turning to Russia and China. Do you think the Africans see a "weakened Russia" and "strong NATO"? How about South America and the Middle Eastern states? Objectively it is plain to see that power is shifting from the West and that NATO, the enforcers of the old world order, are no longer the pre-eminent military power in the world.
      Realistically, the Ukrainian Army was the strongest army that NATO could muster and Russia have destroyed it several times over. Ukraine's casualty figures are horrendous, as you would expect from an army so hopelessly outgunned on every level and attempting to take territory from a well dug in enemy. NATO simply can't produce an army to defeat Russia in Ukraine. This has always been obvious to those not drunk on Western propaganda.
     

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3124 on: December 21, 2023, 02:49:PM »
Russians filled a 60 year old tank with explosives and tried to remote control it into Ukrainian positions  :))

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/18nl8yr/russians_packed_an_mtlb_with_explosives_and_sent/

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« Reply #3125 on: December 24, 2023, 08:14:AM »
    What do you think the end game looks like, Steve?
     It is clear to any impartial observer that Ukraine/NATO have no chance of achieving any of their declared aims(the retaking of territory). It is also clear that Ukraine/NATO are out of equipment, men and ideas and conversely that Russia have a battle hardened and rotated army much stronger than at the start of hostilities. The West simply cannot produce the weaponry to fight Russia as even Bell admits although he tries to spin it. It isn't really analysis, Steve. Bell is way too biased and he is spouting NATO copium. Russia has humiliated NATO and the rest of the world can see.
     At one point Bell tells us that although Russia may have won tactically, they have lost strategically. He bases this conclusion on the fact that the ICC have an arrest warrant out for Putin and the rest of the world can see that he can't travel. If that is the extent of your claims of success, it is as good as an admission of defeat. Pathetic.
     The NATO plan of over-extending Russia and giving them another "Afghanistan" has backfired spectacularly. It is the US and their not so merry band of thieves who are being drawn into multiple conflicts and being bled white. All the money and arms poured into Ukraine all for nothing. Ukraine and their sponsors will end up with less than if they had stuck to the Minsk Accords.
      All of this was entirely predictable and predicted from the beginning by anyone with any knowledge. Too many in the West, especially in media and government, ended up believing their own propaganda. Russia was weak economically and militarily, we were told, and Putin would be over thrown by Navalny or some such as soon as the "sanctions from hell" destroyed the "weak Russian economy". The Russian military was weak and would be crushed by the NATO armed, trained and funded Ukrainian Army plus assorted mercs. How's all that going?
      If anything at all is left of Ukraine as a state, it will be a demilitarised rump state. It is like watching a suicide by cop incident. Ukraine has committed suicide by Russia, at the behest of the interests of those that NATO protects(bankers and corporate financial interests). NATO have weakened themselves, not Russia. Ukraine has committed suicide by Russia.
      Ask yourself, Steve, outside of the Western media bubble, how do you think the ROTW sees things? African countries are increasingly moving away from the Western imperialists and turning to Russia and China. Do you think the Africans see a "weakened Russia" and "strong NATO"? How about South America and the Middle Eastern states? Objectively it is plain to see that power is shifting from the West and that NATO, the enforcers of the old world order, are no longer the pre-eminent military power in the world.
      Realistically, the Ukrainian Army was the strongest army that NATO could muster and Russia have destroyed it several times over. Ukraine's casualty figures are horrendous, as you would expect from an army so hopelessly outgunned on every level and attempting to take territory from a well dug in enemy. NATO simply can't produce an army to defeat Russia in Ukraine. This has always been obvious to those not drunk on Western propaganda.
   
The endgame will be the annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia provinces. But isn't it a Pyrrhic victory? https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3126 on: December 26, 2023, 11:41:AM »
Another rigged election awaits in 2024: https://youtu.be/w6Q8xk0oBCw


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Re: Russia - worrying?
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Re: Russia - worrying?
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3130 on: December 29, 2023, 09:28:PM »
30 killed by Russian strikes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67843312

That is a tragedy for all involved.  However, where is your concern for the innocent people murdered in their thousands by the Israeli criminals you support?

 

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3131 on: December 29, 2023, 11:45:PM »
The endgame will be the annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia provinces. But isn't it a Pyrrhic victory? https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/
     "US intelligence assesses"  ::) :-[
     There will be nothing Pyrrhic about the defeat facing Ukraine and by extension, their guarantors and sponsors- NATO. Tensions within NATO are public and it is anything but a unified alliance. The ability of NATO to throw its weight around on behalf of Wall St is also severely diminished. Those countries in the cross-hairs of NATO are turning to Russia and China for development and defence. I'm not sure that you really understand the significance of the events you are currently living through.
     The outcome of the conflict in Ukraine will not be counted in "US intelligence assessments" of dead Russians. It will be assessed by NATO ability/inability to enforce the "Rules Based Order" that they oft refer to. That ability has gone. Russia has severely disarmed NATO and destroyed the mythology of NATO superiority.
      US intelligence assessments are of no relevance to anything other than making us aware of the story they are using to "declare victory". I also think that you are wrong about the final shape of Ukraine. I do not believe that Russia will allow Black Sea access to a hostile entity that threatens Crimea. Odessa, by hook or by crook, will become Russian or an independent neutral state. Ukraine/NATO will not be allowed to keep Odessa. There will be other oblasts that Ukraine will lose but Odessa, in my view, is certain. Ukraine should have abided by Minsk and not believed NATO propaganda about Russian weakness and NATO potency.
      Russia's victory is the opposite of Pyrrhic, Steve.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3132 on: December 30, 2023, 12:34:AM »
The forthcoming Presidential elections are a complete farce. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/anti-war-candidate-barred-from-running-against-putin-lodges-appeal/ar-AA1m3jyj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=105fc555a66f4f0c93d517bf3a4803dd&ei=8

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-critic-alexei-navalny-found-in-most-isolated-place-on-earth-after-weeks-missing/ar-AA1m0LXf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ba17a79f0302411cbbf8bfdba94ece5f&ei=22
     Both Navalny and Duntsova are so irrelevant, it is a joke that you take this nonsense seriously. The equivalent would be Tass or RT entertaining their readers with tales of farcical UK elections from Tommy Robinson and Nick Griffin and passing it off as serious political commentary. This is not serious reporting on Russian politics, Steve. Duntsova is less than irrelevant, as the story admits, and Navalny is irrelevant and a fraudster and criminal. At least use credible sources.

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« Reply #3133 on: December 30, 2023, 12:42:AM »
That is a tragedy for all involved.  However, where is your concern for the innocent people murdered in their thousands by the Israeli criminals you support?
Had Ukraine unilaterally advanced into Russian territory and killed the equivalent of Hamas' murders in Israel on October 7 (roughly 15,000 citizens or 1000 murders per 9 million population) you would have had a point. The fact that Putin and Lavrov attacked a sovereign state, whose borders they signed to protect in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, makes a mockery out of your question, as does their call for a ceasefire in Gaza yet refusing one for the country they invaded.

As for some member's avatar involving profanity towards a state which attacked nobody and to which on a previous occasion I made an objection in private, says more about the moderators of this site than it does about the individual member in question, who has been given more leeway due to his mental state than in my opinion is warranted.
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« Reply #3134 on: December 30, 2023, 12:46:AM »
     "US intelligence assesses"  ::) :-[
     There will be nothing Pyrrhic about the defeat facing Ukraine and by extension, their guarantors and sponsors- NATO. Tensions within NATO are public and it is anything but a unified alliance. The ability of NATO to throw its weight around on behalf of Wall St is also severely diminished. Those countries in the cross-hairs of NATO are turning to Russia and China for development and defence. I'm not sure that you really understand the significance of the events you are currently living through.
     The outcome of the conflict in Ukraine will not be counted in "US intelligence assessments" of dead Russians. It will be assessed by NATO ability/inability to enforce the "Rules Based Order" that they oft refer to. That ability has gone. Russia has severely disarmed NATO and destroyed the mythology of NATO superiority.
      US intelligence assessments are of no relevance to anything other than making us aware of the story they are using to "declare victory". I also think that you are wrong about the final shape of Ukraine. I do not believe that Russia will allow Black Sea access to a hostile entity that threatens Crimea. Odessa, by hook or by crook, will become Russian or an independent neutral state. Ukraine/NATO will not be allowed to keep Odessa. There will be other oblasts that Ukraine will lose but Odessa, in my view, is certain. Ukraine should have abided by Minsk and not believed NATO propaganda about Russian weakness and NATO potency.
      Russia's victory is the opposite of Pyrrhic, Steve.
If it was your son who had been killed you might have an alternative point of view. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html