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« Reply #2628 on: March 16, 2023, 09:01:AM »
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=736945007880321

https://youtu.be/DvHIbpy1LWM

"If you put Zelensky on Sunak's shoulders you wouldn't even get a Napoleon". That comment is gold.
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« Reply #2630 on: March 17, 2023, 05:49:PM »
The international criminal court issue arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/vladimir-putin-arrest-warrant-ukraine-war-crimes

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« Reply #2631 on: March 17, 2023, 06:04:PM »
The international criminal court issue arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/vladimir-putin-arrest-warrant-ukraine-war-crimes

Pity they didn't have the courage to do the same for Bush: Blair; Netenyahu and a host of others.

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« Reply #2632 on: March 17, 2023, 06:18:PM »
Pity they didn't have the courage to do the same for Bush: Blair; Netenyahu and a host of others.

The charges are because of the abduction of Ukrainian children orphaned from the conflict. I don't recall any of those you name doing such thing  :-\

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« Reply #2633 on: March 17, 2023, 06:34:PM »
The charges are because of the abduction of Ukrainian children orphaned from the conflict. I don't recall any of those you name doing such thing  :-\

No they probably just oversaw them being bombed to death instead. Destabilising whole regions and unleashing untold misery and bloodshed.
 

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« Reply #2634 on: March 17, 2023, 08:41:PM »
     How weak are NATO and the collective west that all they have left is this?
     The ICC will never indict any US President even though all should be if the ICC were credible and legitimate. US are not members of the ICC and regard it as having, "no legitimacy, no jurisdiction and no authority". US even have a "Hague Invasion Act", which allows them to invade The Hague to protect US officials and personnel.
    The prosecutor in this case against Putin is a British lawyer, Karim Asad Ahmed Khan- the case is a ridiculous interpretation of the law of "Forced deportation". It is clearly politically motivated and the ICC has shredded the last vestiges of its credibility.
    It is also timed to divert the masses from the deteriorating situation in Ukraine and from the turmoil in their own countries as a direct blowback of their own criminal actions. Never mind that it's all going tits up at home and we are funnelling weapons and ammo into an unwinnable war, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of soldiers to a war they cannot win.
    A pathetic and weak gesture which demonstrates only the powerlessness of those behind it.
   
   
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2635 on: March 17, 2023, 09:27:PM »
Pity they didn't have the courage to do the same for Bush: Blair; Netenyahu and a host of others.

I agree.  Total hypocrisy.  I have no time for Putin but he is way down the list of war criminals.  The USA does not even recognise the court - if they did it would be Americans who would  fill the dock every day.  It is a joke.

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« Reply #2636 on: March 17, 2023, 09:32:PM »
    The ICC's de facto lack of jurisdiction against the US means it has no credibility. It is threatened, under US law, with violence/invasion if it investigates any alleged US crime. You really shouldn't take the ICC seriously and you certainly shouldn't regard it as an independent and legitimate body.
    Russia are also not members of this partisan body making the decision even more obviously political and designed for propaganda optics rather than any serious attempt at seeking justice for "war crimes".
    Only victors get to hold war crime trials so it is anyway irrelevant. 
   

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« Reply #2637 on: March 17, 2023, 09:35:PM »
I agree.  Total hypocrisy.  I have no time for Putin but he is way down the list of war criminals.  The USA does not even recognise the court - if they did it would be Americans who would  fill the dock every day.  It is a joke.
    It is worse than that, NGB. They even have the "Hague Invasion Act".

https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law


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« Reply #2638 on: March 17, 2023, 09:48:PM »
     The Russians even openly reported this war crime as they were committing it-below;

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/administration/69414

    It is how warped the west is. Humanitarian acts are war crimes and our war crimes are humanitarian interventions.

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« Reply #2639 on: March 17, 2023, 10:08:PM »
US Sanctions on the International Criminal Court
On September 2, 2020, the United States government imposed sanctions on the International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, and another senior prosecution official, Phakiso Mochochoko. In addition, US Secretary of State Michael Pompeo announced that the United States had restricted the issuance of visas for certain unnamed individuals “involved in the ICC’s efforts to investigate US personnel.”

Under Executive Order 13928, the “Executive Order on Blocking Property Of Certain Persons Associated With The International Criminal Court,” US officials added Fatou Bensouda, the ICC prosecutor, and Phakiso Mochochoko, the head of a division within the prosecutor’s office, to the Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List (the SDN List). This list is maintained by the US Department of Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC).

Their designation had two immediate effects. First, any property held by Bensouda and Mochochoko (or the property of any entity of which they own 50 percent or more) in the United States became “blocked.” Although any property they might have in the US has not been seized, they would not be able to exercise any rights over it, including use or sale. In addition, US persons or entities located anywhere in the world would not be able to transact with or provide services to either Bensouda or Mochochoko, unless they received a license to do so from the US government. US “persons” are defined under the executive order as “any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.”

Second, all property that might belong to Bensouda or Mochochoko that comes within a US jurisdiction would be “blocked.” Because the vast majority of international trade is conducted via the US dollar this has potentially broad implications. US dollar-denominated transactions—even if they are between two non-US parties—usually require a bank under US jurisdiction to handle the transactions. Thus, any transaction that passes through them, even momentarily, would also be blocked.

In addition, Bensouda and Mochochoko, who were sanctioned as individuals, and their immediate family members are presumed to be subject to US visa restrictions under the terms of the executive order.