Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

Is he dead..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/top-british-spies-now-believe-vladimir-putin-might-already-be-dead/ar-AAXQPeP?ocid=msedgntp

   Quick tip, Steve. Any article that begins with a sentence that includes the words, "British spies", "believe" and "might" is 100% guaranteed to be followed by hundreds of words of baseless speculation, lies, mis-directions and straight up bullshit.
    You're welcome.

[Roch]

do like my new avatar

Not really Nuggsy. Seems a bit hard tbh.

[gringo]

   Quick tip, Steve. Any article that begins with a sentence that includes the words, "British spies", "believe" and "might" is 100% guaranteed to be followed by hundreds of words of baseless speculation, lies, mis-directions and straight up bullshit.
    You're welcome.

    Second tip for you, Steve.
      When media outlets are merely repeating to you what our intelligence agencies supposedly "believe", does it not occur to you that by doing so they are exposing themselves as mere extensions or, at least,tools of those agencies?
      And do you believe that our "senior British spies" believe Putin may be dead? Are you not yet entertaining the possibility that it isn't what our "top British spies" believe. It is what they want you to believe.
     

[Steve_uk]

I'll believe the humanitarian corridors when I see them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/russia-accused-of-shelling-mariupol-humanitarian-corridor

[David1819]

10 reasons why Russophiles & Putinophiles are wrong on Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hncqk_HwcyA

[David1819]

A $120 million superyacht linked to a sanctioned Russian oligarch has appeared in Antigua more than 2 months after turning its tracking off.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sanctioned-russia-oligarch-superyacht-antigua-turning-ais-tracking-off-guryev-2022-5?r=US&IR=T

[gringo]

     Russia's running out of things problems are getting worse. After the expected running out of missiles and fuel in early March, as predicted by Bellingcrap and other MSM outlets, it appears that the recent death of Vladimir Putin (touted by the ever reliable UK intel agencies) has led to Russia running out of short, balding 70 year olds with an uncanny resemblance to the recently deceased?! VVP.
    Meanwhile Russia and the rest of humanity are running out of patience with the imbeciles running Western/Nato policy.
     NATO and their paid propagandist media have run out of credibility 
   

[Steve_uk]

     Russia's running out of things problems are getting worse. After the expected running out of missiles and fuel in early March, as predicted by Bellingcrap and other MSM outlets, it appears that the recent death of Vladimir Putin (touted by the ever reliable UK intel agencies) has led to Russia running out of short, balding 70 year olds with an uncanny resemblance to the recently deceased?! VVP.
    Meanwhile Russia and the rest of humanity are running out of patience with the imbeciles running Western/Nato policy.
     NATO and their paid propagandist media have run out of credibility 
   

Do you believe that Russians should be allowed to have a democratic choice in their elections? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/russia-s-navalny-says-he-faces-new-criminal-charges/ar-AAXW8I7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b958d218573d49dda76ddbe99b3697d3

[gringo]

Do you believe that Russians should be allowed to have a democratic choice in their elections? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/russia-s-navalny-says-he-faces-new-criminal-charges/ar-AAXW8I7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b958d218573d49dda76ddbe99b3697d3

   They do have a democratic choice. They choose United Russia and Putin.
     Navalny is not a serious politician and nor does he have enough support to be regarded as opposition. Do some research on Russian politics instead of listening to lying, misrepresenting (and out of credibility) western media. He is a fraudster, embezzler and general all round crook. He is currently tweeting from jail where he rightly should be. His support is around 1 to 2% and he appeals to a very small demographic. The fact that he is touted as "Opposition Leader" in western media is a clue to their credibility. Russian media do not call Tommy Robinson, "Opposition Leader", nor do they claim that he is a political prisoner silenced by the Queen or Johnson when he is jailed for criminal actions.
    Navalny is nothing more or less than a Russian Tommy Robinson. Look up his support yourself. Look up his beliefs also whilst you're about it and you may ask a better question next time.
    The main opposition to Putin is the Communist Party, but admitting that doesn't suit western narratives, which ignore the truth. Navalny is utterly irrelevant to Russian politics. The Communist Party, by the way, support the military actions of Russia and in fact believe Putin is being too soft on NATO. Over 80% of Russians are utterly behind their President including most opposition parties.
    Your "knowledge" of Russian domestic politics is nil. In fact it is less than nil. All of your "knowledge" has come from paid to be biased sources and all you now have is the "information" that your masters want you to have.
   

[Steve_uk]

   They do have a democratic choice. They choose United Russia and Putin.
     Navalny is not a serious politician and nor does he have enough support to be regarded as opposition. Do some research on Russian politics instead of listening to lying, misrepresenting (and out of credibility) western media. He is a fraudster, embezzler and general all round crook. He is currently tweeting from jail where he rightly should be. His support is around 1 to 2% and he appeals to a very small demographic. The fact that he is touted as "Opposition Leader" in western media is a clue to their credibility. Russian media do not call Tommy Robinson, "Opposition Leader", nor do they claim that he is a political prisoner silenced by the Queen or Johnson when he is jailed for criminal actions.
    Navalny is nothing more or less than a Russian Tommy Robinson. Look up his support yourself. Look up his beliefs also whilst you're about it and you may ask a better question next time.
    The main opposition to Putin is the Communist Party, but admitting that doesn't suit western narratives, which ignore the truth. Navalny is utterly irrelevant to Russian politics. The Communist Party, by the way, support the military actions of Russia and in fact believe Putin is being too soft on NATO. Over 80% of Russians are utterly behind their President including most opposition parties.
    Your "knowledge" of Russian domestic politics is nil. In fact it is less than nil. All of your "knowledge" has come from paid to be biased sources and all you now have is the "information" that your masters want you to have.
   

What absolute drivel. Your knowledge of Russia and what its people want is seriously lacking: https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

[gringo]

What absolute drivel. Your knowledge of Russia and what its people want is seriously lacking: https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

   If it is absolute drivel then you would be able to debunk it point by point. But you can't hence your blanket dismissal followed by a link to an irrelevant youtube video about Boris Nemtsov, a murder that is linked by you and western propagandists without evidence to Putin. Pretty much all murders in Russia are by Putin's henchmen if western media is to be believed.
     By drivel are you suggesting that the Communist Party are not the main opposition to United Russia? or that I have underestimated the relevance of Navalny? Are you saying that he isn't a convicted fraudster and embezzler? Is the Tommy Robinson comparison not apt? If not, why not?
     Every time that you attempt to engage it is apparent that you know no context and have sought zero information from critical and diverse sources. Beyond parroting MSM talking points, it is obvious that you  rely entirely on one sided context free drivel spoon fed to you by the MSM and repeated by you without questioning.
     Recently you raised the Budapest Memorandum and it was apparent that your entire knowledge of this was the one line repeated ad nauseam by MSM whereby the signatory states commit to “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine”.
     I posted a link to the entire memorandum, only six paragraphs. I took up your "challenge" to debate this and as usual you had nothing more to add. You had no knowledge beyond the one line that you had been trained to repeat. There is plenty to discuss in those six paragraphs. Any reasonable discussion would point out that the US and UK breached point 3 of the memorandum (no economic coercion) in 2014, as well as previous times. 2014 is perhaps the most egregious and obvious example of, "economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind".
    There is much more than that to discuss. Zelensky by admitting to pursuing nuclear weapons earlier in February, nullified the whole memorandum. That is the context of the memorandum. It is Ukraine giving up its nuclear warheads, from the former Soviet Union, and joining the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty). Declaring that you intend to acquire nuclear warheads ends the agreement.
     But you only know one context free line so you can't discuss this.
   

[David1819]

What absolute drivel. Your knowledge of Russia and what its people want is seriously lacking: https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

Gringo lives in a fantasy world when it comes to the subject of Russia. He has never been there and its unlikely he knows anyone who has.

I have friends whose parents grew up in the USSR, I have had colleagues and acquaintances who grew up in the Warsaw pact (mostly Poland and Latvia). I asked them about their experiences. I am not going to be put under any illusions propagated by the Kremlin.

[Steve_uk]

Putin controls the mass media, he controls the Duma and he controls the judiciary. Strange with all these advantages he garnered 49% in opinion polls (far less among the youth) yet 76% in the Presidential election.

Any opposition to him from wherever it emanates is crushed: https://youtu.be/m9SJ2hx9wmo

The third paragraph of the Budapest Memorandum you quote analysed:

The third paragraph holds the parties to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest Ukraine’s exercise of its sovereign rights. Since 2014, Russia has imposed embargoes on Ukrainian essential raw materials and agricultural products. The UK and the US did not engage in economic coercion against Ukraine.


Unfortunately, Russia has broken virtually all the commitments it undertook in that document. It used military force to seize, and then illegally annex, Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in early 2014. Russian and Russian proxy forces have waged war for more than five years in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donbas, claiming more than 13,000 lives and driving some two million people from their homes.

[gringo]

Gringo lives in a fantasy world when it comes to the subject of Russia. He has never been there and its unlikely he knows anyone who has.

I have friends whose parents grew up in the USSR, I have had colleagues and acquaintances who grew up in the Warsaw pact (mostly Poland and Latvia). I asked them about their experiences. I am not going to be put under any illusions propagated by the Kremlin.

    Why would you imagine that, David? My views on Russia are based on a wide spectrum of views and opinions. The USSR hasn't existed for over 30 years. Russia is not the USSR. You don't seem to have any opinions of your own.
     You have nothing to add and you cannot, so don't, attempt to debunk anything that I have stated. Just some evidence free imaginings about who I may have met or know and what my imagined life experiences are.
    The fantasy world is the quickly evaporating Western-centric world view. The world is changing, power is shifting and facts being created on the ground, militarily, politically and economically, are daily destroying this fantasy world. Even the propaganda is failing now.
    The rest of the world doesn't see Russia as the aggressor. NATO under the leadership of the US is what the rest of the world sees as a threat.
    Your mates parents? Seriously you are a halfwit.
     

[Steve_uk]

    Why would you imagine that, David? My views on Russia are based on a wide spectrum of views and opinions. The USSR hasn't existed for over 30 years. Russia is not the USSR. You don't seem to have any opinions of your own.
     You have nothing to add and you cannot, so don't, attempt to debunk anything that I have stated. Just some evidence free imaginings about who I may have met or know and what my imagined life experiences are.
    The fantasy world is the quickly evaporating Western-centric world view. The world is changing, power is shifting and facts being created on the ground, militarily, politically and economically, are daily destroying this fantasy world. Even the propaganda is failing now.
    The rest of the world doesn't see Russia as the aggressor. NATO under the leadership of the US is what the rest of the world sees as a threat.
    Your mates parents? Seriously you are a halfwit.
   

We don't address fellow-members in those terms. NATO was formed in response to the Soviet occupation of East European states post-1945 and don't you forget it. A brave new world ruled by Putin and Xi, the latter president of a country where there are no free trades unions and democracy denied to Hong Kong after guaranteeing "one country, two systems" for fifty years?

You're having a laugh.