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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1590 on: April 19, 2022, 11:24:AM »
Russia wants a buffer around Crimea and a corridor alongside. https://youtu.be/zPZWFYMCJn8

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1591 on: April 19, 2022, 12:16:PM »
They intended to take Kyiv, their own intel proves that -

"Blitzkrieg failed. It is simply impossible to complete the task now: if Zelensky and the authorities were captured in the first 1-3 days, they seized all the key buildings in Kyiv, they gave them the order to surrender - yes, the resistance would subside to the minimum values.

    You are too gullible and willing to believe anything that suits. "Their own intel", as you describe it, is in actual fact a random posting on Telegram. I came across this particular piece of unattributed bullshit a few days ago and only an idiot with an agenda would accept it at face value which explains your embracing of it.
    The use of a smaller invading force plus stand off weaponry has allowed the Russians to shape the battlefield with Ukrainian forces now largely pinned and lacking manoeuvrability. This is demonstrable by reality on the ground. No air cover, fuel. This has become apparent even to some of the commentators whose words you parrot.
    Only a fool believes that Russia attempted to "blitzkrieg" Ukraine. They simply did not have the necessary numbers in the invading force. An unattributed post on Telegram is just that. It is not the secret Russian invasion plans, no matter how much you want to believe.
   
   

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1592 on: April 19, 2022, 12:18:PM »
Russia wants a buffer around Crimea and a corridor alongside. https://youtu.be/zPZWFYMCJn8
   Russia will get what it wants. NATO and US/UK are exposed to the world as paper tigers.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1593 on: April 19, 2022, 12:25:PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/police-scout-for-pro-russian-collaborators-in-eastern-ukraine

This makes me wonder whether some of the war crimes bodies are actually the bodies of slain 'collaborators' staged as 'war crimes by Russia'.

However, I am not saying Russia hasn't committed war crimes. I believe it will have done so.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1594 on: April 19, 2022, 12:26:PM »
   Russia will get what it wants. NATO and US/UK are exposed to the world as paper tigers.
I'm quite sure Russia will keep Crimea, but wouldn't the navy at Sevastopol have to navigate past NATO countries in a crisis?

I found this clip quite telling gringo: https://youtu.be/r5LyDd4vQPk

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« Reply #1595 on: April 19, 2022, 12:42:PM »
     The cauldron containing somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 will be, is being, neutralised next. The previous "shaping of the battlefield" (or blitzkrieg as David believes) is now over and has prevented any chance of re-supply or reinforcement to troops on the Donbass front-line. They will be left with only the choice of surrendering or fighting to their death. This will happen shortly. Facts on the ground tell you this even as the Mighty Wurlitzer insists that Russia is losing, humiliated. Who/what to believe? The always honest and independent Mighty Wurlitzer, or your own lying eyes?
     I suspect that the entire Black Sea coastline, including Odessa, will be taken to leave a land locked rump state. Ukraine along with their backers and advisers from NATO are defeated. There will be more defeats to come as the rest of the world breaks free from the yoke of US/NATO hegemony and dominance. Ukraine is just the first domino.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1596 on: April 19, 2022, 12:55:PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/police-scout-for-pro-russian-collaborators-in-eastern-ukraine

This makes me wonder whether some of the war crimes bodies are actually the bodies of slain 'collaborators' staged as 'war crimes by Russia'.

However, I am not saying Russia hasn't committed war crimes. I believe it will have done so.
   There are an abundance of verified videos showing Ukrainian soldiers torturing Russian captives, POW's and alleged collaborators. The Bucha timeline proves that the murdered citizens were killed by Ukrainian forces. Everyone knows the playbook now, Roch. Seen it all before with atrocity videos shot by the "White Helmets" to spread western lies. The Mighty Wurlitzer is losing its power.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1597 on: April 19, 2022, 01:38:PM »
   There are an abundance of verified videos showing Ukrainian soldiers torturing Russian captives, POW's and alleged collaborators. The Bucha timeline proves that the murdered citizens were killed by Ukrainian forces. Everyone knows the playbook now, Roch. Seen it all before with atrocity videos shot by the "White Helmets" to spread western lies. The Mighty Wurlitzer is losing its power.

You have utterly lost it.

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« Reply #1598 on: April 19, 2022, 01:40:PM »
     The cauldron containing somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 will be, is being, neutralised next. The previous "shaping of the battlefield" (or blitzkrieg as David believes) is now over and has prevented any chance of re-supply or reinforcement to troops on the Donbass front-line. They will be left with only the choice of surrendering or fighting to their death. This will happen shortly. Facts on the ground tell you this even as the Mighty Wurlitzer insists that Russia is losing, humiliated. Who/what to believe? The always honest and independent Mighty Wurlitzer, or your own lying eyes?
     I suspect that the entire Black Sea coastline, including Odessa, will be taken to leave a land locked rump state. Ukraine along with their backers and advisers from NATO are defeated. There will be more defeats to come as the rest of the world breaks free from the yoke of US/NATO hegemony and dominance. Ukraine is just the first domino.

Time will tell who is correct. And it wont be favorable to you. Not that it will prevent you from spinning a tale on how its somehow a victory.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1599 on: April 19, 2022, 01:45:PM »

    You are too gullible and willing to believe anything that suits.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1600 on: April 19, 2022, 01:52:PM »
I'm quite sure Russia will keep Crimea, but wouldn't the navy at Sevastopol have to navigate past NATO countries in a crisis?

I found this clip quite telling gringo: https://youtu.be/r5LyDd4vQPk
   It is telling, Steve. Shows the US/NATO plans for this are long in the planning, not that there isn't already an abundance of evidence showing this. McCain showing his usual true colours. Warmongers gonna warmonger.
    If the crisis you refer to were large enough then I doubt that NATO navies would need to be navigated past. It would be more likely that the navies would be neutralised via stand off weaponry that NATO neither possesses or can defend against.

   

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1601 on: April 19, 2022, 01:56:PM »
Time will tell who is correct. And it wont be favorable to you. Not that it will prevent you from spinning a tale on how its somehow a victory.
   Time has been telling who is correct since this thread started, years ago. You have been consistently wrong.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1602 on: April 19, 2022, 02:06:PM »
   Time has been telling who is correct since this thread started, years ago. You have been consistently wrong.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1603 on: April 19, 2022, 05:03:PM »