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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1575 on: April 16, 2022, 10:04:AM »
The ship was an old rust bucket as Putin is saving his best 'till last ! He's unpredictable and barmy.

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« Reply #1576 on: April 16, 2022, 08:12:PM »
The ship was an old rust bucket as Putin is saving his best 'till last ! He's unpredictable and barmy.

Most of the Russian fleet is a rust bucket.

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« Reply #1577 on: April 16, 2022, 08:54:PM »
Reminder: during wars, both sides suffer losses.

During the Falklands War, Britain lost the HMS Sheffield to an exocet missile.  Fortunately for Britain, Argentina had only five AM39 exocets and did not manage to hit a carrier, or the war might have been lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4

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« Reply #1578 on: April 16, 2022, 09:04:PM »
Russia loses its eighth general and 34th colonel in Ukraine in the latest hammer blow to Putin's botched invasion.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10724673/Russia-loses-eighth-general-34th-colonel-Ukraine-latest-blow-Putins-botched-invasion.html

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1579 on: April 16, 2022, 09:10:PM »
Reminder: during wars, both sides suffer losses.

During the Falklands War, Britain lost the HMS Sheffield to an exocet missile.  Fortunately for Britain, Argentina had only five AM39 exocets and did not manage to hit a carrier, or the war might have been lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4

I recall that the British carried out a deception operation in order to prevent the Argentines from buying up more Exocets. I think at the time, the French were the sellers.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1581 on: April 17, 2022, 05:16:PM »
No major cities taken since the invasion began. 20,000 Russian troops dead. Black Sea flagship sunk. Assault on Kyiv and Kharkiv repelled. Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Russia has been humiliated.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1582 on: April 17, 2022, 05:25:PM »
Beware of Putin because he'll be running scared. Will his next move be nuclear ? I think this is what's on Zelenskiy's mind.

Anti-radiation pills next ?


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« Reply #1584 on: April 17, 2022, 09:25:PM »
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/analysis-chain-of-negligence-caused-the-loss-of-the-moskva-cruiser/

It was definitely a SSM. Hence all the other Russian ships have moved further away from Ukrainian coast line.

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« Reply #1585 on: April 17, 2022, 09:31:PM »
It was definitely a SSM. Hence all the other Russian ships have moved further away from Ukrainian coast line.

The bit I noticed was the suggestion that the weapon wasn't available for use by Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict.

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« Reply #1586 on: April 17, 2022, 09:56:PM »
The bit I noticed was the suggestion that the weapon wasn't available for use by Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict.

Its been in service since March 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

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« Reply #1587 on: April 17, 2022, 09:58:PM »
Russian military TNT contains nothing but blocks of wood.  :))

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u5obhd/corruption_in_russian_army_really_helped/

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1588 on: April 18, 2022, 11:34:PM »
    No major cities taken since the invasion began. 20,000 Russian troops dead. Black Sea flagship sunk. Assault on Kyiv and Kharkiv repelled. Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Russia has been humiliated.

Russia loses its eighth general and 34th colonel in Ukraine in the latest hammer blow to Putin's botched invasion.

Russian military TNT contains nothing but blocks of wood.


   Do you actually believe this rubbish? Are you so indoctrinated that you lose any and all ability to question the truth or relevance of anything that you post? You play too much PlayStation and read too little and too narrowly.
   The Moskva sinking has exactly zero relevance to the outcome in this war. What does have relevance is the capture/sinking and neutralisation of the entire Ukrainian Navy in the opening days of the war. Missed your comments on that. You will have been posting some irrelevant and unattributed you-tube video in a poor attempt at appearing informed.
   No major cities taken? All you are doing is repeating the ill informed projection that passes for analysis from "paid to not understand" experts. The troops outside Kiev, as even some of those "experts" now seem to have cottoned, far from "failing to take Kiev" have in fact "succeeded" in their main aim of pinning large numbers of Ukrainian soldiers and "shaping the battlefield" for phase two. A much larger invasion force would be required to take cities. Everyone knows this. The Russians certainly know this. Why would you still believe, given the above, that their intention was taking Kiev and Kharkov at this stage?
   Ukraine has no navy left, no air force left, minimal air defence still intact, no manoeuvrability (lack of fuel and air cover), have lost an area the size of the UK already, something between 60 to 100,000 of their elite formations in a cauldron in Donbass without chance of relief or reinforcement, Black Sea access likely to be completely cut off shortly and you get a hard on because a Russian ship sank. It has no relevance to the outcome which is a done deal already.
   All of the above has been discussed and analysed at length by experts who understand Russian military doctrine, war and geopolitics. Scott Ritter, Col. Douglas MacGregor, Andrei Martyanov and many others all understand perfectly well the reality on the ground.
  The dead Colonels and Generals claim that you repeat and believe to be an example of the "botched invasion", even if true, is the repeated projection of supposed experts. Russians generals and colonels lead on the battlefield not sat back in an armchair somewhere.
  Your 20,000 Russian dead figure is obvious bollocks. Finland and Sweden will get a visit from Russian missiles the moment they place NATO missiles on their territory. Going to do something isn't the same as doing something. Russian TNT contains only blocks of wood which you have discovered via your usual evidence of an unattributed youtube video shows how dumb and gullible you are.
   NATO arms and mercs? are being destroyed with missiles the moment they enter Ukraine. All Ukraine have left is one off raids and propaganda. A NATO trained and armed army of 600,000 about to be entirely neutralised and disarmed by a hugely outnumbered attacking force. Phase 2 about to begin. It is delusional to believe that "Russia has been humiliated" as David continues to believe. You need to face up to some uncomfortable truths. Reality on the ground will no longer be able to be shut out with comforting lies.
   Reality is that hypersonic missile tech, integrated air defence systems way in advance of NATO junk and Electronic Warfare systems have re-invented modern warfare and NATO are not even in the game. What they going to do? Send an aircraft carrier group? Send some more weapons that the Russians will obliterate with missiles before they get anywhere near the battlefield? All of this is and has been understood for some years now by any serious and independent analysts/experts. I wrote of these developments and their consequences some years back on this thread. David mocked the hypersonic claims by deploying some Gif's, as I recall, and regarding it as Russian disinformation or something. It was true then and it is even more so now, as the gap has widened, but this is one of those "uncomfortable truths" so David ignores the implications. 
    All of the above with a military budget over the last 20 years or so of around 6/7% of the US alone. How corrupt must the US MIC be to outspend Russia by 15/16 times and still be generations behind in all the tech that has literally changed warfare and how it is waged.
   You understand too little and are too closed to uncomfortable truths to take seriously, David, on anything with regard to geopolitics.
   
   
   
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1589 on: April 19, 2022, 10:31:AM »
No major cities taken? All you are doing is repeating the ill informed projection that passes for analysis from "paid to not understand" experts. The troops outside Kiev, as even some of those "experts" now seem to have cottoned, far from "failing to take Kiev" have in fact "succeeded" in their main aim of pinning large numbers of Ukrainian soldiers and "shaping the battlefield" for phase two. A much larger invasion force would be required to take cities. Everyone knows this. The Russians certainly know this. Why would you still believe, given the above, that their intention was taking Kiev and Kharkov at this stage?

Right, they sent tens of thousands of troops into Belarus giving them short proximity to the capital and sent in special light airborne troops in take the city airports on day two of the war, but had no intention of taking the city. They then spent weeks redeploying the troops giving the Ukrainian military plenty of time of reinforce their troops in the east and south.  :)) Your excuses are nothing but sour grapes. The Americans took Baghdad with 30,000 troops. Its very doable so long as the population actually want their government toppled.

They intended to take Kyiv, their own intel proves that -

"Blitzkrieg failed. It is simply impossible to complete the task now: if Zelensky and the authorities were captured in the first 1-3 days, they seized all the key buildings in Kyiv, they gave them the order to surrender - yes, the resistance would subside to the minimum values. In theory. But what's next? Even with this ideal variant, there was an unsolvable problem: with whom to negotiate? If we demolish Zelensky, well, with whom should we sign agreements? If with Zelensky, then after we demolish it, these papers are worth nothing. Opposition Platform for Life refused to cooperate: Medvedchuk is a coward, he fled. There is a second leader there - Boyko, but he refuses to work with us - even his own people will not understand him. They wanted to return Tsarev, so even our pro-Russians turned against him. Return Yanukovych? But as? If we say that it is impossible to occupy, then any of our authorities will be killed there in 10 minutes, as we leave. Occupy? Where are we going to get so many people? Commandant's offices, military police, counterintelligence, security - even with minimal resistance from the locals, we need 500 thousand or more people. Not counting the supply system. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. And this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist."




Reality is that hypersonic missile tech, integrated air defence systems way in advance of NATO junk and Electronic Warfare systems have re-invented modern warfare and NATO are not even in the game.
   

Hence NATO tech given to the Ukrainians is doing this to Russia's air-force.










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