Russia - worrying?

[David1819]

Wladimir Klitschko calls Bucha killings 'genocide of Ukrainian population'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJUauFoKEo

[Steve_uk]

As a general comment, it seems to me that the question of what is and is not a war crime is in the eye of the beholder.

War is a ghastly business.

The Süddeutsche Zeitung, which somebody links to above, is a pro-NATO propaganda rag.

I take the position that all alleged war crimes - of any side - are a hoax unless demonstrated otherwise.  We must additionally bear in mind that it is in the nature of modern warfare that the battle zone coincides with civilian living space, therefore collateral civilian casualties are inevitable in conflict zones. 

Armies don't meet on fields out of the way, dressed in gentleman's tunics and firing muskets.  That stopped quite a while ago.

I repeat: war is horrible.  We are very, very lucky in Britain to have lived out our lives in such a relatively stable society and I curse those politicians and members of the public - including certain people on this Forum - who want to introduce needless conflict and instability into our lives by interfering in complex matters they are almost-entirely ignorant of, all so that they can parade round as people of sanctimonious virtue.

Sorry if this offends anybody here, but in matters of foreign policy and defence, I am an aggressive neutralist.  I think we could have learned something from the Swiss, who until recently wisely kept their noses out of other people's business.

I will echo this.  Gringo did baffle me on one occasion when he made an entirely unprovoked and unhinged attack on me, completely out-of-the-blue, because I questioned something said by Craig Murray.  Nevertheless, we badly could do with some diversity of opinion on current affairs rather than a regurgitation of the mainstream media line on everything.

Yes we know all about your neutralism: not fighting Hitler in 1940 but giving him a free hand in the East.https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10903.0.html

[nugnug]

false flag https://youtu.be/Rhn2rw1fyh0

[nugnug]

proof zelensky rejected peace deal https://youtu.be/6m9PoKnCNR0

[guest29835]

Yes we know all about your neutralism: not fighting Hitler in 1940 but giving him a free hand in the East.https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10903.0.html

I'm sorry that my views offend people of your ethnicity.

[Roch]

This article is an interesting read and quite sad / poignant.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/05/barbarians-russian-troops-leave-grisly-mark-on-ukraine-town-of-trostianets

[David1819]

This article is an interesting read and quite sad / poignant.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/05/barbarians-russian-troops-leave-grisly-mark-on-ukraine-town-of-trostianets

Utterly appalling.

I am very disappointed with both the Russian militaries performance and conduct. I was expecting precision strikes and efforts to win over the population (however futile). Not besiegement and collective punishment.

[Roch]

Utterly appalling.

I am very disappointed with both the Russian militaries performance and conduct. I was expecting precision strikes and efforts to win over the population (however futile). Not besiegement and collective punishment.

It sounds more like when the Argentinians invaded the Falklands and a lot of their troops were made up of conscripts.  I do think the Russians have committed war crimes. Some of their troops are clearly ill disciplined and disorganized. I think they will be reeling from all the casualties they have taken and may lash out at civilian population as a result.

However I also think it is possible in some situations, for Ukrainian forces to kill citizens deemed to be collaborating with Russia. It would be possible to show or pose the bodies and claim they were victims of Russian war crimes. This would in effect be killing two birds with one stone. Ukraine are after all, seeking to defeat the invasion by any means possible, including increased international sanctions etc.

[David1819]

All your life you have waited for the Russians to attack, and now they have. Who will be in your elite unit David?

Captain America and Ronald Mcdonald 

[David1819]

A single Ukrainian tank engaging a large Russian convoy.

https://v.redd.it/af1acx4ijqr81/DASH_720.mp4

[David1819]

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine?t=1649283564393

[gringo]

David 1819: At least Gringo knows better than to say anything. Here you are making an idiot out of yourself.     


NGB 1066:  I am quite sure Gringo would give a good account of himself if he posted here again.  He was very effective in developing and supporting the arguments he advanced.  It is a pity he is not posting at present.

David 1819: He has made dozens upon dozens of posts being an apologist for Putin's Russia. Denying its crimes with looney conspiracy theories, demonizing its victims while portraying Putin as a saint. All while thinking he was being some kind of esoteric logician.

What can he possibly say other than admit he was a useful idiot for Russian propaganda all along?

This reminds me of a friend who once lived down the road from me. He kept telling me how the World would end on December 21st 2012 citing the ancient Mayan calendar and NASA was hiding it from the public. He had nothing to say about it on December 22nd. 

NGB 1066: You do Gringo a grave injustice.  It is a pity he is not here now because he would rip you apart!

David 1819: He has been logging in but not posting anything. He is often very quick to defend Russian aggression. But not anymore.

NGB 1066: You are misrepresenting his posts, which were detailed and well reasoned.

     David isn't smart enough to recognise when his argument has been defeated. It amuses me that David is so arrogant as to believe his ill informed opinion about anything geopolitical is the reason for posters not posting. The last time I took a break, he imagined it was because I had no answer but couldn't remember when pressed what this "owning" was. It now appears that while I haven't posted for 6 months he is still bothered enough by my opinions to check my logging in status.
     Sounds to me that my posts rattle David rather more than vice versa. Probably to do with the fact that I have shown over and over again throughout this thread over years that he is not very well read or informed, but he is also blissfully unaware of his own ignorance.

     Thanks NGB for your comments, which I have taken as an offer I can't refuse. Empire of Lies will explode David's head.

[gringo]

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine?t=1649283564393

    I think the existence of actual biolabs and Victoria Nulands testimony is what made the biolab story circulate. You are gullible and believe whatever you are told.
      There are hundreds of biolabs funded by the Pentagon. This is not going away.

[David1819]

David 1819: At least Gringo knows better than to say anything. Here you are making an idiot out of yourself.     


NGB 1066:  I am quite sure Gringo would give a good account of himself if he posted here again.  He was very effective in developing and supporting the arguments he advanced.  It is a pity he is not posting at present.

David 1819: He has made dozens upon dozens of posts being an apologist for Putin's Russia. Denying its crimes with looney conspiracy theories, demonizing its victims while portraying Putin as a saint. All while thinking he was being some kind of esoteric logician.

What can he possibly say other than admit he was a useful idiot for Russian propaganda all along?

This reminds me of a friend who once lived down the road from me. He kept telling me how the World would end on December 21st 2012 citing the ancient Mayan calendar and NASA was hiding it from the public. He had nothing to say about it on December 22nd. 

NGB 1066: You do Gringo a grave injustice.  It is a pity he is not here now because he would rip you apart!

David 1819: He has been logging in but not posting anything. He is often very quick to defend Russian aggression. But not anymore.

NGB 1066: You are misrepresenting his posts, which were detailed and well reasoned.

     David isn't smart enough to recognise when his argument has been defeated. It amuses me that David is so arrogant as to believe his ill informed opinion about anything geopolitical is the reason for posters not posting. The last time I took a break, he imagined it was because I had no answer but couldn't remember when pressed what this "owning" was. It now appears that while I haven't posted for 6 months he is still bothered enough by my opinions to check my logging in status.
     Sounds to me that my posts rattle David rather more than vice versa. Probably to do with the fact that I have shown over and over again throughout this thread over years that he is not very well read or informed, but he is also blissfully unaware of his own ignorance.

     Thanks NGB for your comments, which I have taken as an offer I can't refuse. Empire of Lies will explode David's head.

What took you so long? You have decided to never admit defeat. It's better to just stay on the Titanic and pretend. Pretend like everything is fine. Just refuse to acknowledge the ice cold water flowing in. It doesn't even matter if it goes over your head, you can still hold your breath. 👍

[David1819]

1965 UAZ. This will bring NATO to its knees!