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Offline David1819

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1410 on: April 04, 2022, 05:18:PM »
Satellite imagery of Bucha mass graves appears to contradict Russian denials

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/satellite-imagery-of-bucha-mass-graves-b2050267.html

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1411 on: April 04, 2022, 05:22:PM »
At least Gringo knows better than to say anything. Here you are making an idiot out of yourself.  :))

If you can explain how I am making an idiot of myself, then please go ahead and enlighten us all.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1412 on: April 04, 2022, 05:25:PM »
Satellite imagery of Bucha mass graves appears to contradict Russian denials

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/satellite-imagery-of-bucha-mass-graves-b2050267.html

The sooner the UN war crimes investigators become involved, the better (if it is safe to do so).  However, regarding the two examples you posted up yesterday, I could not be certain whether they appeared genuine or staged. 

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1413 on: April 04, 2022, 07:04:PM »
At least Gringo knows better than to say anything. Here you are making an idiot out of yourself.  :))

I am quite sure Gringo would give a good account of himself if he posted here again.  He was very effective in developing and supporting the arguments he advanced.  It is a pity he is not posting at present.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1414 on: April 04, 2022, 07:25:PM »
so much for helping the ukriane. https://youtu.be/zbo5ApHmjiM

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1415 on: April 04, 2022, 07:34:PM »
German President: "I was wrong" and "We have failed with the establishment of a common European house in which Russia is included. We have failed with the approach of including Russia in a common security architecture." "There will be no return to the status quo before the war."


https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/steinmeier-selbstkritik-russland-1.5560571

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« Reply #1416 on: April 04, 2022, 07:51:PM »
I am quite sure Gringo would give a good account of himself if he posted here again.  He was very effective in developing and supporting the arguments he advanced.  It is a pity he is not posting at present.

He has made dozens upon dozens of posts being an apologist for Putin's Russia. Denying its crimes with looney conspiracy theories, demonizing its victims while portraying Putin as a saint. All while thinking he was being some kind of esoteric logician.

What can he possibly say other than admit he was a useful idiot for Russian propaganda all along?

This reminds me of a friend who once lived down the road from me. He kept telling me how the World would end on December 21st 2012 citing the ancient Mayan calendar and NASA was hiding it from the public. He had nothing to say about it on December 22nd.  :))
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1417 on: April 04, 2022, 08:44:PM »
He has made dozens upon dozens of posts being an apologist for Putin's Russia. Denying its crimes with looney conspiracy theories, demonizing its victims while portraying Putin as a saint. All while thinking he was being some kind of esoteric logician.

What can he possibly say other than admit he was a useful idiot for Russian propaganda all along?

This reminds me of a friend who once lived down the road from me. He kept telling me how the World would end on December 21st 2012 citing the ancient Mayan calendar and NASA was hiding it from the public. He had nothing to say about it on December 22nd.  :))

You do Gringo a grave injustice.  It is a pity he is not here now because he would rip you apart!


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« Reply #1418 on: April 05, 2022, 12:14:AM »
As a general comment, it seems to me that the question of what is and is not a war crime is in the eye of the beholder.

War is a ghastly business.

The Süddeutsche Zeitung, which somebody links to above, is a pro-NATO propaganda rag.

I take the position that all alleged war crimes - of any side - are a hoax unless demonstrated otherwise.  We must additionally bear in mind that it is in the nature of modern warfare that the battle zone coincides with civilian living space, therefore collateral civilian casualties are inevitable in conflict zones. 

Armies don't meet on fields out of the way, dressed in gentleman's tunics and firing muskets.  That stopped quite a while ago.

I repeat: war is horrible.  We are very, very lucky in Britain to have lived out our lives in such a relatively stable society and I curse those politicians and members of the public - including certain people on this Forum - who want to introduce needless conflict and instability into our lives by interfering in complex matters they are almost-entirely ignorant of, all so that they can parade round as people of sanctimonious virtue.

Sorry if this offends anybody here, but in matters of foreign policy and defence, I am an aggressive neutralist.  I think we could have learned something from the Swiss, who until recently wisely kept their noses out of other people's business.

You do Gringo a grave injustice.  It is a pity he is not here now because he would rip you apart!

I will echo this.  Gringo did baffle me on one occasion when he made an entirely unprovoked and unhinged attack on me, completely out-of-the-blue, because I questioned something said by Craig Murray.  Nevertheless, we badly could do with some diversity of opinion on current affairs rather than a regurgitation of the mainstream media line on everything.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1419 on: April 05, 2022, 08:02:AM »
The Russians have produced a timeline re Bucha:

https://www.rt.com/russia/553274-bucha-war-crimes-allegations/

I have removed the link to another article by Scott Ritter, as he has a controversial offending history to say the least. But it's on the same site if anyone cares to read his opinion. Clearly he is somebody who went up against his own country in 2001.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1420 on: April 05, 2022, 01:40:PM »
You do Gringo a grave injustice.  It is a pity he is not here now because he would rip you apart!

He has been logging in but not posting anything. He is often very quick to defend Russian aggression. But not anymore.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1421 on: April 05, 2022, 01:56:PM »

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1422 on: April 05, 2022, 02:12:PM »
He has been logging in but not posting anything. He is often very quick to defend Russian aggression. But not anymore.

You are misrepresenting his posts, which were detailed and well reasoned. 

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1423 on: April 05, 2022, 02:44:PM »
How could Vladimir Putin be prosecuted for war crimes?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/putin-war-crimes-accusation-ukraine-icc

Perhaps he should be. But we need to remember that Russia and Ukraine are in a propaganda and information war against each other.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1424 on: April 05, 2022, 06:27:PM »
2016 documentary about the Donbass..

https://youtu.be/bN68OfFKaWs