Russia - worrying?

[killingeve]

I wouldn't describe them as "large scale". Saying that they never get a chance to gain momentum.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-police-arrest-more-than-1-700-anti-war-protesters-in-russia-as-anger-erupts-over-invasion-12550653

What propaganda?

Exactly what propaganda?  You have no means of discerning fact from fiction.  All you can hope is that Ukraine are able to transfer their footballing abilities to the battlefield
and beat Russia! 

[killingeve]

Exactly what propaganda?  You have no means of discerning fact from fiction.  All you can hope is that Ukraine are able to transfer their footballing abilities to the battlefield
and beat Russia! 

Fifa world rankings:

Ukraine - 27

Russia - 35

[Roch]

I wouldn't describe them as "large scale". Saying that they never get a chance to gain momentum.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-police-arrest-more-than-1-700-anti-war-protesters-in-russia-as-anger-erupts-over-invasion-12550653

What propaganda?

What about the ones that didn't get captured?

I have this image of the prevailing view in America..

America = good guys. Russia = bad guys

America = Capitalism. Russia = Communism

Capitalism = good. Communism = bad.

Yes, I know that Russia isn't Communist, but you get my drift..

[David1819]

What about the ones that didn't get captured?

I have this image of the prevailing view in America..

America = good guys. Russia = bad guys

America = Capitalism. Russia = Communism

Capitalism = good. Communism = bad.

Yes, I know that Russia isn't Communist, but you get my drift..

Its more a case of Putin and the Russian Government = bad. Not Russian People = Bad.

Do you still believe the UK government attacked Scripal with Novitchok to make Russia look bad? 

[Roch]

Its more a case of Putin and the Russian Government = bad. Not Russian People = Bad.

Do you still believe the UK government attacked Scripal with Novitchok to make Russia look bad? 

If Putin is bad, where does that leave Bush Jr.?

I suspect the Russians were drawn in to a sting operation. As for Skripal, he could easily appear in an unidentifiable location to say hello on camera. Any makeshift, nondescript room would do. But just like Tommy Mair, he has disappeared.

[David1819]

If Putin is bad, where does that leave Bush Jr.?

Comparing Putin to Bush Jr is like comparing a wolf to a tame dog. Bush was a naive church boy raised in an ivory tower while Putin is an old school KGB gangster.

I suspect the Russians were drawn in to a sting operation. As for Skripal, he could easily appear in an unidentifiable location to say hello on camera. Any makeshift, nondescript room would do. But just like Tommy Mair, he has disappeared.

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[David1819]

The Ukranians have won the 1st battle of Kyiv and 3500 Russian soldiers have been killed.

[Roch]

The Ukranians have won the 1st battle of Kyiv and 3500 Russian soldiers have been killed.

What is the source for the figures David?

[David1819]

What is the source for the figures David?

"Mykhailo Podoliak, an adviser in the Volodymyr Zelensky government, was quoted by Ukrainian media outlets as saying 3,500 Russian troops had been killed in the fighting and around 200 had been taken prisoner."

[Roch]

"Mykhailo Podoliak, an adviser in the Volodymyr Zelensky government, was quoted by Ukrainian media outlets as saying 3,500 Russian troops had been killed in the fighting and around 200 had been taken prisoner."

The figure seems very high. Putin would not be able to hide the deaths or the loss of military equipment that you suggested yesterday.

[David1819]

The figure seems very high. Putin would not be able to hide the deaths or the loss of military equipment that you suggested yesterday.

Russian state media will just deny or deflate the figurers. And spin it in anyway they deem appropriate.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-entertainment-media-europe-moscow-a760a2b6dcf5ef820cee7138336a5b3b

[lookout]

Putin would never let it be known how many of his troops have perished so I'd view that with caution.

[Roch]

Russian state media will just deny or deflate the figurers. And spin it in anyway they deem appropriate.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-entertainment-media-europe-moscow-a760a2b6dcf5ef820cee7138336a5b3b

I doubt Russian state media is believed by everyone. 600000 people in Russia signed a petition against the war. The Russian population are not stupid. Regarding the loss of military equipment, the generals and army would know of this. Regarding casualties, there is no way to hide them. Families would know that their family member in the armed forces had disappeared without contact.

Just out of interest, if Russia, China, Iran and North Korea formed their own alternative to NATO, which began attracting other nations, and countries within Central America wanted to join or were being encouraged to join - how would the US react?

[lookout]

What's bothering me are Russians stealing vehicles that have been left behind and motoring across these borders.

[David1819]

I doubt Russian state media is believed by everyone. 600000 people in Russia signed a petition against the war. The Russian population are not stupid. Regarding the loss of military equipment, the generals and army would know of this. Regarding casualties, there is no way to hide them. Families would know that their family member in the armed forces had disappeared without contact.

Family members of soldiers killed will be informed. That is no issue. The relatives wont all be getting together across the entire country to add the numbers up.

Just out of interest, if Russia, China, Iran and North Korea formed their own alternative to NATO, which began attracting other nations, and countries within Central America wanted to join or were bring encouraged to join - how would the US react?

All those countries you listed are too unalike and mismatched to form any meaningful alliance. The Soviet Union and Vietnam did not get on well with China and North Korea in the last half of the 20th century and almost went to war despite all being communist countries. NATO exists because of Russia and you can actually see Russia from Alaska. Russia and the USA are only 50 miles apart.