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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #450 on: August 25, 2020, 09:12:PM »
    What book are you reading?
    Israel has become the tail that wags the dog. Zionism is a racist and criminal enterprise and our government and state institutions as well as France and US are full of fifth columnists who serve other interests. Our free media will never discuss this and any journalist/politician that dares to address this will be, and are, hounded and ruined.
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This one.  Slow start but finding it riveting now. About a quarter of the way in. It's about 350 pages.

I never realised another academic, a professor from Sheffield Hallam had carried out an analysis of the events at Canary Wharf that day. Think I'll read that too.


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« Reply #451 on: August 25, 2020, 09:30:PM »
Our free media will never discuss this and any journalist/politician that dares to address this will be, and are, hounded and ruined.

I can't stress how relevant and important this point is. Our security services control our media. Whichever story is given to the media, it doesn't matter whether you read The Telegraph or The Guardian. whether you read The Mirror or The Mail, whether you watch C4 News or BBC, they will all parrot what is fed to them. There is no journalism as such. And certainly no investigative journalism.  Our media is in thrall to what is fed to them either by security services or quite often by police. The chicken feed, anomalies and false trails that are put out, are not questioned in an objective, examinatory way.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #453 on: August 26, 2020, 12:53:AM »
They are not who they claim to be: https://youtu.be/H7g7hPdhagk

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/planes-trains-and-fake-names-the-trail-left-by-skripal-suspects
   I don't doubt this. I don't think many do. It is however an enormous leap from there to GRU assassins.  https://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisonings-two-years-on-a-riddle-wrapped-in-a-cover-up-inside-a-hoax/
    A more in depth view if you interested in truth rather than intel agency propaganda. From Salisbury resident and blogger Rob Slane. He covered it extensively at time and the archive at the Blogmire is probably the most extensive coverage available of the contradictions and lies of the official account.
    Probably a waste of time for you and David, though.
    It would be like reading Dickens books to my dog.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #454 on: August 26, 2020, 01:37:AM »
Probably a waste of time for you and David, though.
 It would be like reading Dickens books to my dog.

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Speaking of Dickens characters...

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« Reply #455 on: August 26, 2020, 02:30:AM »
The proof is more or less in the pudding. Both men are on Russian TV using their false names and claiming to be in the “fitness industry”. When they are in fact in the Russian military intelligence service. One is actually decorated with honours.



His name is even engraved on this military monument. For the medal he has received.

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« Reply #456 on: August 26, 2020, 12:03:PM »
The proof is more or less in the pudding. Both men are on Russian TV using their false names and claiming to be in the “fitness industry”. When they are in fact in the Russian military intelligence service. One is actually decorated with honours.



His name is even engraved on this military monument. For the medal he has received.



My guess is that they were unwittingly snared in a sting, oversaw by British intelligence, for the purpose of 'Russia-phobia'.  They came for one reason but ended up as patsies for another reason.

It's intrigue and counter intrigue. You will never fully get to the bottom of it, precisely because you're not meant to.


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« Reply #457 on: August 26, 2020, 01:09:PM »
My guess is that they were unwittingly snared in a sting, oversaw by British intelligence, for the purpose of 'Russia-phobia'.  They came for one reason but ended up as patsies for another reason.

It's intrigue and counter intrigue. You will never fully get to the bottom of it, precisely because you're not meant to.

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« Reply #458 on: August 26, 2020, 01:25:PM »
lol 😂

'Russia-phobia' alongside 'war on terror' has been deployed as a mass consumption reson d'etre for our security services.

Meanwhile, it turns out we're the real 'interferers' and terrorists.

I find it all embarrassing. British spooks playing at 1970's Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, for no real reason.

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« Reply #459 on: August 26, 2020, 03:18:PM »
'Russia-phobia' alongside 'war on terror' has been deployed as a mass consumption reson d'etre for our security services.

Meanwhile, it turns out we're the real 'interferers' and terrorists.

I find it all embarrassing. British spooks playing at 1970's Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, for no real reason.

No, the GRU simply wanted to punish a traitor and make an example of him. Russians are very patriotic and don't take treason lightly.

Alexander Litvinenko was making the most outrageous claims. He was publicly accusing Putin and his former allegiances of being responsible for the Russian apartment bombings, the Beslan school siege and The Moscow theater hostage crisis (all of which was perpetrated by Chechen separatists). Nobody deserves to die that way, but he more or less dug his own grave. If someone went around falsely accusing me of mass murdering my own people, including school kids, I would be pretty pissed to.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #460 on: August 26, 2020, 04:30:PM »
No, the GRU simply wanted to punish a traitor and make an example of him. Russians are very patriotic and don't take treason lightly.

Alexander Litvinenko was making the most outrageous claims. He was publicly accusing Putin and his former allegiances of being responsible for the Russian apartment bombings, the Beslan school siege and The Moscow theater hostage crisis (all of which was perpetrated by Chechen separatists). Nobody deserves to die that way, but he more or less dug his own grave. If someone went around falsely accusing me of mass murdering my own people, including school kids, I would be pretty pissed to.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #461 on: August 26, 2020, 05:43:PM »
My guess is that they were unwittingly snared in a sting, oversaw by British intelligence, for the purpose of 'Russia-phobia'.  They came for one reason but ended up as patsies for another reason.

It's intrigue and counter intrigue. You will never fully get to the bottom of it, precisely because you're not meant to.
    Pretty fairly sums it up. There are hints as to their real purpose that day, and many plausible theories. The least plausible, in fact impossible, scenario is the incoherent drivel served up by the UK govt.
    I suspect that Skripal had turned again and wanted to return to Russia. Given his service for the UK intelligence agencies there would be a price to pay for his return which more readily explains the presence of the two Russians.
    It also helps to explain the changing timelines and confusion over where DS Bailey was supposedly poisoned. The D notice that was issued by the UK govt. immediately on Pablo Miller and Christopher Steele also hints at motivation. Steele is the author of the infamous "Russiagate" dossier. Miller is the original recruiter and handler of Skripal when UK intel first turned him. The UK govt. immediately banned  mention of either of these two in connection with the case.
    Skripal knows things about UK intel and their motivation from preventing his return is self evident. Where is he now? Where is Julia who is publically accused of nothing?
    Do you remember the sneaked phone call to her cousin? I think a sympathetic nurse or hospital worker had let Julia use her phone. She stated to Victoria that she wanted to return to Russia and that she and her father were ok. Once the recorded call was out there then UK intel could not claim that they were still in coma or whatever. No consular access, no proof of life of either Sergei or Julia, no contact with the family in Russia despite Sergei's mother being 91 and hasn't heard from either since. Previously Sergei called his mother every week.
    The UK govt. need to prove that Sergei and Julia are alive and able to exercise free will. Pictures of a couple of Russians and impossible claims of nerve agent attacks are not sufficient.
    It is the UK gov who have questions to answer, not Russia.
   

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #462 on: August 27, 2020, 11:11:AM »

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On the day of the poisoning, GRU agents Chepiga and Mishkin (impersonating themselves tourists Boshirov and Petrov) Checked out of Salisbury Station at 11:48AM they then returned to Salisbury Station at 1:50PM. They were then at Heathrow at 7:30PM later that evening waiting for a flight back to Moscow.

A bizarre holiday indeed. Not that it will stop some indulging in their conspiratorial fantasies. Where the standard of evidence for Russia's culpability is set so high it is impossible to convince them otherwise, whereas immaterial neither here nor there will suffice their conspiracy theories. If two members of the CIA were posing as tourists under false names with the same abnormal traveling schedule that day, Roch and Gringo would likely cream their pants, and we wouldn't hear the end of it.


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« Reply #464 on: August 30, 2020, 08:00:PM »