Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

He denies it and people believe him (I don't), yes, there are planes buzzing around here and Alias confirms it has happened in Denmark too. I think he's seeing how far he can go and is basically sticking up two fingers to anyone who would question him. I don't trust him (although I don't trust Cameron either!).

  The whole Russian planes buzzing our airspace is a concoction by NATO countries to ready the public for war. NATO and Russian planes routinely buzz each others airspace and it is not even deemed worthy of reporting. There is nothing unusual in these actions. What is unusual is that suddenly these are being sold as Russian aggression.
     Putin and Russia have so far resisted the bait in Ukraine and in their desperation to paint Putin as a dangerous megalomaniac our very own dangerous megalomaniacs are having to resort to desperate means, hence the sudden spike in reporting these non events.
     The whole world and it's dog knows that it is NATO planes that are the clear threat to world peace not Russian planes. This is self evident from observation over the 30 years or more. Take a look at our "statesmen" and listen to them. Take a look at the world and see which countries have the most foreign bases and mass troop presences in other countries and it isn't Russia.
     We were lied to in order to justify the war crime of Iraq.
     We were lied to in order to justify the bombing of Libya.
     In fact every war that we have involved ourselves in over the last 30 years or more has been based on half truths and outright lies. Why would anyone believe the same people when they call for yet another war using the same lies?
      It is an affront to our intelligence that our politicians have the temerity to attempt to convince us that Russian planes flying in international airspace, but a bit near to national airspace, is aggression which needs dealing with whilst the wars that we are involved in and started are peacekeeping humanitarian missions; albeit always in countries that have lots of exploitable natural resources, although this fact is no doubt coincidental.
      The US/UK are a clear threat to world order and the launching of wars of aggression by these state terrorists has to be stopped. It appears that enough of the populace of these countries are still willing to buy into the narratives being sold to them by these self serving lickspittle quislings. Unfortunately until enough people in the US/UK wake up and oust the war mongerers then nothing will change and it is sad that the best hope for restraining our governments aggressive intentions is a strong Russia.

[lookout]

Another brilliantly explained post,Gringo.
I was mortified when we went to Iraq as there was clearly no need to interfere into how Saddam Hussein was running his country.
Also Afghanistan,which I thought was utter madness to try and win a war with a bunch of savages.
Our interference in such countries has got to be blamed on our half-cocked Intelligence at GCHQ.

[ngb1066]

  The whole Russian planes buzzing our airspace is a concoction by NATO countries to ready the public for war. NATO and Russian planes routinely buzz each others airspace and it is not even deemed worthy of reporting. There is nothing unusual in these actions. What is unusual is that suddenly these are being sold as Russian aggression.
     Putin and Russia have so far resisted the bait in Ukraine and in their desperation to paint Putin as a dangerous megalomaniac our very own dangerous megalomaniacs are having to resort to desperate means, hence the sudden spike in reporting these non events.
     The whole world and it's dog knows that it is NATO planes that are the clear threat to world peace not Russian planes. This is self evident from observation over the 30 years or more. Take a look at our "statesmen" and listen to them. Take a look at the world and see which countries have the most foreign bases and mass troop presences in other countries and it isn't Russia.
     We were lied to in order to justify the war crime of Iraq.
     We were lied to in order to justify the bombing of Libya.
     In fact every war that we have involved ourselves in over the last 30 years or more has been based on half truths and outright lies. Why would anyone believe the same people when they call for yet another war using the same lies?
      It is an affront to our intelligence that our politicians have the temerity to attempt to convince us that Russian planes flying in international airspace, but a bit near to national airspace, is aggression which needs dealing with whilst the wars that we are involved in and started are peacekeeping humanitarian missions; albeit always in countries that have lots of exploitable natural resources, although this fact is no doubt coincidental.
      The US/UK are a clear threat to world order and the launching of wars of aggression by these state terrorists has to be stopped. It appears that enough of the populace of these countries are still willing to buy into the narratives being sold to them by these self serving lickspittle quislings. Unfortunately until enough people in the US/UK wake up and oust the war mongerers then nothing will change and it is sad that the best hope for restraining our governments aggressive intentions is a strong Russia.

Another excellent post gringo.

[Alias]

So gringo, do you think the two near-collisions with Danish passenger planes are made up?

[Caroline]

Im going to upset the apple cart and admit that I actually like Putin and think he is brilliant. He has done so much for his country and his people. Are you sure you are not all being led by what is written in the MSM? It seems to me,that Putin is his own man. He can see what is going on in the west and clearly doesn't want to be part of the so called 'New World Order'. He is intelligent enough to know that the wars that the US and ourselves have started have nothing to do with WMD and everything to do with money and the control of oil. Indeed,he has told President Obama "tell your citizens that 9/11 was a was a false flag,or I will.I have the evidence to prove it". Imo warmonger Bush was far more dangerous than Putin.

They said the same about Hitler and we know how that ended!

[ngb1066]

They said the same about Hitler and we know how that ended!

Putin is not Hitler, not even close.

[nugnug]

all thses comparisons to hitler are way over the top putin hasn't gassed 6 million people.

[ngb1066]

all thses comparisons to hitler are way over the top putin hasn't gassed 6 million people.

Very true nugnug.

[gringo]

So gringo, do you think the two near-collisions with Danish passenger planes are made up?

  Not made up but exaggerated for effect, Alias. The buzzing of each others airspace and territorial waters is all tit for tat and has always happened.
     Nato planes and ships carry out manoeuvres near to Russian airspace and waters and the Russians do likewise. It has always gone on and the reporting of it, as if it is unusual, shows the agendas of those doing the reporting.
      Describing the encounters as near collisions is just hyperbole, again to exaggerate the "threat" which in truth is non existent.
      The evidence is all around for anyone to see Alias and is best measured by our military presence in countries throughout the world compared to Russian troops.

[Caroline]

all thses comparisons to hitler are way over the top putin hasn't gassed 6 million people.

Neither had Hitler until he actually did.

[Caroline]

Putin is not Hitler, not even close.

I believe he has the potential to be just as bad.

[gringo]

With the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and their reluctance to stick to any ceasefire. They have increased their spending on defence - and today

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/27/russia-boris-nemtsov-shot_n_6772212.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK&ncid=webmail1

Putin reminds me of Hitler - he needs stopping because he is certainly up to something!

  First of all, Caroline there simply is no invasion of Ukraine by Russia. There is a civil war where the Ukrainian Army are shelling their own citizens and the civilians are fighting against government forces. Quite a number of those civilians are ethnic Russian but apart from bluster and accusations there is zero evidence of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. In these days of satellite imagery and everyone having cameras it seems somewhat incongruous that there is not a single picture of Russian troops crossing into Ukraine.
    Secondly Russia cannot stick to a ceasefire agreement as they are not firing in the first place unless someone can find these phantom Russian troops. There are protocols in the agreement regarding the permanent monitoring of the Russian/Ukraine border but nothing about Russians sticking to any ceasefire. Why do you think that is?
     The increase in Russian defence spending that you refer to probably requires some context so I will happily oblige.
     US defence spending in 2012 and 2013 was 640 and 680 billion dollars respectively.
     Russian defence spending 2012 and 2013 was 90 and 87 billion dollars respectively.
     Using those figures as a guide who do you think has designs on world conquest?
     It should also be noted that Russian defence spending is exactly that( defence spending) while the US budget looks more like attack spending and given both of these countries record over the years, it is reasonable to conclude that US defence spending is a euphemism for war chest.
     The comparisons with Hitler would be more apt applied to our own leaders. It is they who are invading and bombing countries in a never ending cycle of wars.
     

[nugnug]

I believe he has the potential to be just as bad.

the western backed dictatorship in the Ukraine actually love hitler.

western Ukraine collaborated with the nazis took part in the holocaust.

[Caroline]

  First of all, Caroline there simply is no invasion of Ukraine by Russia. There is a civil war where the Ukrainian Army are shelling their own citizens and the civilians are fighting against government forces. Quite a number of those civilians are ethnic Russian but apart from bluster and accusations there is zero evidence of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. In these days of satellite imagery and everyone having cameras it seems somewhat incongruous that there is not a single picture of Russian troops crossing into Ukraine.
    Secondly Russia cannot stick to a ceasefire agreement as they are not firing in the first place unless someone can find these phantom Russian troops. There are protocols in the agreement regarding the permanent monitoring of the Russian/Ukraine border but nothing about Russians sticking to any ceasefire. Why do you think that is?
     The increase in Russian defence spending that you refer to probably requires some context so I will happily oblige.
     US defence spending in 2012 and 2013 was 640 and 680 billion dollars respectively.
     Russian defence spending 2012 and 2013 was 90 and 87 billion dollars respectively.
     Using those figures as a guide who do you think has designs on world conquest?
     It should also be noted that Russian defence spending is exactly that( defence spending) while the US budget looks more like attack spending and given both of these countries record over the years, it is reasonable to conclude that US defence spending is a euphemism for war chest.
     The comparisons with Hitler would be more apt applied to our own leaders. It is they who are invading and bombing countries in a never ending cycle of wars.
   

Well, lets just wait and see.

[gringo]

Well, lets just wait and see.

   It is surely better to look at the undeniable evidence of Western aggression and draw your conclusions from facts on the ground rather than repeating the baseless rhetoric from already discredited journalists and politicians.
    You based your Hitler comparison on assertions that have no basis in fact or are so out of context as to be meaningless.
    What makes you so confident that Putin is the threat when the evidence of Western complicity and aggression is literally all around you. You are being taken in by propaganda when there is ample information, that is a matter of record and not disputed, which contradicts the official US/UK narrative.