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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2925 on: July 16, 2023, 07:58:PM »
In response to inquiries regarding the crossing, Budanov dismissed the necessity of the Crimean Bridge.
“They will vacate this territory — they are not suicidal, believe me,” he said.


    What is the Chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ukrainian MOD suggesting here, do you think, Steve? Why would it be "suicidal" to be pro Russian in Crimea? Where is the suggestion of free and fair elections? If your support of Ukraine/NATO is based on giving people the right to self determination, as you claim, then you need to familiarise yourself with the intent of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their NATO sponsors. You will be disappointed.

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« Reply #2926 on: July 17, 2023, 08:41:AM »
Chechens fighting on Ukrainian side ambush a Russian Ural truck. Location and date unknown but presumed recent.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/151v32i/chechens_fighting_on_ukrainian_side_ambush_a/

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« Reply #2927 on: July 17, 2023, 08:43:AM »

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« Reply #2928 on: July 17, 2023, 12:47:PM »
But that's a separate debate about the role of capitalism in modern society. It's surely up to the Ukrainian people to decide their own fate, under free and fair elections under the auspices of OSCE.
    More about the Ukrainian plans, Steve. I would say they are definitely not having the referendums that is the basis of your support. Blacklists and forced expulsions.

  Tamila Tasheva—who since April 2022 has served as President Volodymyr Zelensky's permanent representative for Crimea—told Newsweek that Kyiv expects to blacklist some 10,000 Ukrainians who have collaborated with Russian authorities, though will not punish those it deems "victims" of the occupation.

Hundreds of thousands of Russians are believed to have moved to Crimea since the peninsula was seized by President Vladimir Putin's forces in 2014. Estimates vary, but Tasheva has said the figure is between 500,000 to 800,000 newcomers. All those Russians who have entered illegally, she said, will be subject to "forced expulsion."
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     The Ukrainian regime are fully aware that they would be occupying the land against the will of the inhabitants. As if they will be offering a referendum. You often suggest the illegitimacy of the referendum in Crimea. Despite it being pointed out that the Crimeans have voted to leave Ukraine several times. There is no doubt that the population are very pro-Russia something even admitted in pro Ukraine Western media. From the same Newsweek article below;

"Tasheva and other Ukrainian leaders are trying to win back the hearts and minds of Crimeans who have lived for nearly a decade under Russian control. Even before the annexation, polls and election results suggested more pro-Moscow sympathies than elsewhere in the country, not least due to the influence of, and Russian migration associated with, the Kremlin's naval base in Sevastopol."

     

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« Reply #2929 on: July 17, 2023, 02:03:PM »

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« Reply #2931 on: July 17, 2023, 04:39:PM »
Best air defence in the world at work again protecting the Kerch Bridge.  :))



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« Reply #2932 on: July 18, 2023, 02:39:AM »
Best air defence in the world at work again protecting the Kerch Bridge.  :))



    It was attacked by submersible drones. What does that have to do with air defence? What happened to the Ukrainian Air Force, by the way? How is it that they are gone and Russian Air Force intact and firing missiles into the Ukrainian deep rear at will?
     NATO/US daren't put up any of their F16's, F35's or any other airframe up against Russian Air Defences. The US military are aware of Russia's air defence capabilities. They are also aware that they will come across what Donald Rumsfeld referred to as "known unknowns and unknown unknowns". 
     It isn't seriously disputed that Russia have the world's best air defence.
     

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« Reply #2933 on: July 18, 2023, 03:01:AM »
    The likely source of the submersible drone, the Port of Odessa, is currently being hammered by Kaliber missiles and drones. Ukrainian air defence doing it's usual job of falling back down to earth and exploding. From reports and footage it is clear that high value targets are being struck.

https://twitter.com/search?q=odessa&src=recent_search_click

    There will be no more attacks on Kerch Bridge coming from Odessa.

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« Reply #2934 on: July 18, 2023, 10:38:AM »
Let's start today with a destroyed Russian 2S7 Pion self propelled 203mm cannon. Work by the 72nd mechanized brigade.


https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/152t2s1/lets_start_today_with_a_destroyed_russian_2s7/

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« Reply #2935 on: July 18, 2023, 01:40:PM »
Why Is Russia Not Dragging The T-14 Armata Tank In Its War With Ukraine Until Now

https://youtu.be/a8cjAWfChlo?t=12

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« Reply #2936 on: July 18, 2023, 11:07:PM »
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has asked permission from the International Criminal Court not to arrest Russia’s Vladimir Putin.

https://www.reuters.com/article/safrica-russia-icc-idUSKBN2YY1E7

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« Reply #2937 on: July 19, 2023, 03:45:AM »
    The likely source of the submersible drone, the Port of Odessa, is currently being hammered by Kaliber missiles and drones. Ukrainian air defence doing it's usual job of falling back down to earth and exploding. From reports and footage it is clear that high value targets are being struck.

https://twitter.com/search?q=odessa&src=recent_search_click

    There will be no more attacks on Kerch Bridge coming from Odessa.
   For the second night running Odessa facing a massive missile and drone barrage, largest of the whole war according to many.  Huge explosions. Weapons, fuel dumps and the port getting obliterated. Attacking the Kerch Bridge from there not looking such a "success" now.
    No doubt tomorrow the Ukrainians will report shooting down 12 out of 10 missiles and neutralising all targets. The video footage posted all over social media tells the real story. Ukraine/NATO are teetering on the edge. Running out of material and men, the situation is becoming desperate. The forced conscriptions, dragging men from the street, from work, off buses are prevalent on Twitter accounts every day. Without direct NATO intervention(boots on the ground) Ukraine will soon having nothing left to resist with.
     Any "coalition of the willing" prepared to enter Ukraine will merely slightly prolong hostilities.
       

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« Reply #2938 on: July 19, 2023, 04:30:PM »

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« Reply #2939 on: July 19, 2023, 10:19:PM »
Best air defence in the world at work again protecting the Kerch Bridge. -   David

 It was attacked by submersible drones. What does that have to do with air defence?- part of my earlier reply

    The "Ukraine winning", "Russia weak" narrative relies entirely now on such "PR victories" and is exposed as such to those with an attention span and memory of more than seconds.
    Let's examine the attack on the bridge and its aftermath. Does it show Russian weakness? Does it support the notion that Russia is losing? Can't even defend Kerch Bridge?

    The first response by Russia was to attack the source of the attack. Odessa has been ended as a port facility for Ukraine/NATO. Fuel dumps, weapons dumps and the source of the submersible drone all destroyed. From videos, Ukrainian air defence was next to non-existent. Huge secondary explosions make clear that targets hit were militarily significant.
     The second response, arguably way more significant, is Russia's announcement today that effectively turns the Black Sea into a Russian lake.

 "From tomorrow, all ships sailing to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo, and the flag countries of these ships will be considered as taking part in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Government."

- Russian MoD

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      The response from Ukrainian officials is informative;

Not a single cargo ship will call at the ports of Ukraine on the Black Sea after the termination of the grain deal, Mykhailo Podolyak, adviser to the head of Zelensky's office, admitted. His words are quoted by the Ukrainian media.

"No country will dare to send its ships [to the ports of Ukraine]. And this is not a question of ships, this is a question of insurance companies," Podolyak said.


     The already stuttering and inadequate supply of weapons to the Ukraine Armed Forces hit with a terminal blow. There will still be those who cling to the narrative but the above demonstrates very clearly which side has "escalation dominance".
      The attack on the bridge has been beneficial to Russia in many ways. It gave them justification to effectively cut off Ukraine from Black Sea access and to destroy the facilities at Odessa used to launch attacks on Kerch. Wouldn't surprise me if it was "allowed" to hit.