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Offline mike tesko

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Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« on: December 11, 2010, 10:07:PM »
Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen

Now that more pieces of the evidence jigsaw have fallen into place, it becomes possible to say with a degree of certainty, that blood from Sheila and paint from the aga in the kitchen at whf, was never found in, or upon, the so called Bamber silencer...

Lets put things into perspective, so that there can be no misunderstanding - the so called Bamber silencer, was the one which Ralph Bamber purchased from Radcliffe the gun dealers in Colchester, on the 24th November 1984, which did not get delivered to whf, until the 30th November that year, because when Ralph ordered it, the gun dealer did not have it in stock and it had to be ordered from the manufacturer. We do not yet know whether the Bamber silencer had 17 or 14 internalized baffle plates, since if the silencer which was purchased was from old stock it could have had 17 baffle plates, but if it was from new stock it would only have had 14 baffles. The cut off point, for the change in the internal design features of silencers produced by Parker hale silencers LTD, was November 1984, but what is not yet clear, is whether the change or alteration took effect from the beginning of the month, or at the end of the same month?

If the Bamber silencer only had 14 internal baffle plates, it could not have been the silencer, inside which was found the blood (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) which has been attributed as being exclusive to Sheila, nor could it have had the paint from the aga upon it, as alleged at the time of Bambers October 1986, Chelmsford CC trial......

On the other hand, if the Bamber silencer, like the Pargeter silencer, had 17 baffle plates, it is still not possible that Sheila's blood was found inside it, or that paint from the aga was found upon it, because of the date and time when the Bamber silencer was first introduced to the lab' at Huntingdon, to be checked for blood and fibers from one of Sheila's tampons - this date being 26th September 1985...

The Bamber silencer, did not get sent to the Lab' until long after the blood and the paint was identified as being present and part of another silencer, which had been submitted to the same Lab' at Huntingdon, on 30th August 1985...

On this date, the Bamber silencer, was still tucked away inside the gun cupboard at whf, the place where it was always known to have been kept it had been there on the night of the shootings and had remained there ever since, right up until 11th September 1985, when one of the relatives, David Boutflour, retrieved it. Once retrieved, he took it to his sisters (Ann Eaton) home, and she arranged for DC Oakey to collect it on behalf of Essex police. This silencer (DRB/1) was retained by Essex police, and fingerprinted by DS Eastwood (SOC) and DS Davidson (SOC) on 13th September 1985, and not submitted to the Lab' at Huntingdon, to be checked for blood and fibers, until the 26th September 1985...

Let us recap what took place involving the silencer (DB/1) which Essex police submitted to the lab' at Huntingdon, on 30th August 1985 - upon receiving it, the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, dismantled it and found a small flake of dried blood which was trapped between the internal baffle plates which he handed over to the blood expert, John Hayward, who in turn arranged for it to be analyzed - whilst all of this was going on, the Bamber silencer was still inside the gun cupboard at whf and would not be disturbed from this location, until 11th September 1985...

Between 30th August 1985 and 20th September 1985, the flake of blood which Fletcher found inside one of the other silencers (namely DB/1) was analyzed and produced four blood group results (A, EAP BA, AK1 nd HP 2-1) between 12th and 19th September 1985, which were exclusive to Sheila Cafffell, based upon the findings of the blood expert (Hayward)...

The Bamber silencer, was not even present at the Lab' and had not been sent to the Lab' at any stage prior to the 26th September 1985, and therefore any suggestion that Sheila's blood was found inside the Bamber silencer was and is a complete fabrication, and renders these convictions unsafe...

Based upon the evidence which is now known, the Bamber silencer was not used at all in any of the shootings in relation to any of the five deaths which occurred at whf that night / morning...

The court was deceived...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline Nigel

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 07:17:PM »
I read UP TO NOV 84

as in not including NOV 84 ie up to and including 31 Oct 84

Could Parker Hale have been more specific, baring in mind the uttermost importance of this?





« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 07:19:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2018, 08:34:PM »
What I read into it is there was no UK stock for the Parker Hale 'silencer' as the 17 Baffles had 'sold out' due to 'new' 'improved' 'silencer' being launched.

Therefore there was a delay (see Mike's Opening post), before Neville got the 'new' 'improved' 14 baffles model.

But how can we prove this?
« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 08:35:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2018, 08:52:PM »
One thing for certain, David Boutflour is VERY specific that the silencer he found was quote: "'STICKY" 'STICKY" "TO THE TOUCH'"
« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 08:53:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

Offline lookout

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2018, 09:02:PM »
Probably jam from the breakfast table because blood dries on certain surfaces within 6 hours.

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2018, 09:11:PM »
Probably jam from the breakfast table because blood dries on certain surfaces within 6 hours.

Well I'm not sure what TEMPERATURE would cause jam to vaporise the setting point is here. https://www.nigella.com/ask/how-do-i-know-if-my-jam-has-reached-setting-point

My understanding is 'silencer' if used would have reached 200 centigrade, from tests done.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2018, 09:13:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Use of Bamber silencer nothing but a smoke screen
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2018, 11:12:PM »
Well I'm not sure what TEMPERATURE would cause jam to vaporise the setting point is here. https://www.nigella.com/ask/how-do-i-know-if-my-jam-has-reached-setting-point

My understanding is 'silencer' if used would have reached 200 centigrade, from tests done.
Let's say Bamber primes the rifle for murder upon entry to the White House. He is intent on inflicting the maximum damage as soon as possible with his most dangerous target Nevill to vanquish. He fits the silencer to the gun and gambles that the element of surprise will be sufficient. He creeps upstairs and into the twins' room and incapacitates them first as he doesn't want them running around and may wish to test the weapon out.

This done he opens the door to his parents' room and sprays the remaining bullets into them, aiming for the head. June is pinned to the bed but Nevill, though severely wounded, manages to get past his son and stumbles downstairs. Jeremy may have some ammunition ready in his pocket and by the time Nevill has reached the downstairs hallway a further blast from him is emitted and leaves splashes of his blood on the wallpaper.

At this stage the silencer is still on the rifle. Nevill, fighting for his life, manages to get a hand to the rifle and with his height wrests it high enough to smash the ceiling light. The silencer comes into contact with the mantelshelf and leaves red paint ingrained thereon. Jeremy is not prepared for such a defence and is moved to anger, pumping more lead into what is now a dying or dead body and smashing it with the rifle so brutally the stock is broken in the process.

Jeremy now inspects the silencer, removing it from the gun to check if it's still in working order. It is and with Nevill dispatched he inches back up the staircase into Sheila's room, waking her as she had to him as an adolescent all those Christmases ago. He marches her into the master bedroom over June's body, and as she lies down he emits the first shot, which stuns her but does not kill her. The second shot goes directly vertical up into the brain and kills her instantly. The last shot is discharged to June right between the eyes, as Jeremy stares at this woman, vowing never to set eyes on her again.

He then returns to the twins' room and in an arc pattern pumps four more bullets into Daniel and two to Nicholas.

Upon returning to the kitchen Jeremy can't believe how easy it's all been. He decides to heat up the end of the rifle on the Aga to check that Nevill is really dead. During this time he makes his way to the gun cupboard and hides the silencer at the rear.
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