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[maggie]

Still, even if it was only 1% of woman with PS that kill, it would still be 'possible' that somebody with the illness 'could' kill.
Which I believe was your original point.

It was 

[susan]

Maggie sorry I did not explain myself very well it was Jeremy's House master  at school that said he was a bully sorry for misleading you

[David1819]

If there were actual evidence that the blood in the moderator had been planted I would actually change my views of the case because I follow the evidence.  People who want to desperately believe it was planted choose to believe it despite their being no evidence of it.  These unsupported beliefs are then used to assert Jeremy is the victim of an MOJ and should be released though there isn't any evidence to establish such. 

When it comes to the silencer you need to realise that it was not collected by forensic law enforcement it was collected by individuals that wanted him convicted. Is this an item of evidence that you are prepared to follow 100%? Because I sure do not.

[maggie]

I think something is being missed.

Taking the possibility of a call in isolation,  there is no reasonable argument of whether it occurred or not.

It is only when you consider other evidence that you can form an opinion as to whether the call occurred or not. Obviously if you believe Sheila is guilty, then the call existed; if you believe JB is the killer, then it didn't.

The initial point being made, was that if JB is guilty and therefore no call took place, then by making up the call, he sealed his own fate.

That is clearly the case.

I agree, that clearly is the case.

[guest154]

I agree, that clearly is the case.

I thought you were a supporter? 

[David1819]

I think something is being missed.

Taking the possibility of a call in isolation,  there is no reasonable argument of whether it occurred or not.

It is only when you consider other evidence that you can form an opinion as to whether the call occurred or not. Obviously if you believe Sheila is guilty, then the call existed; if you believe JB is the killer, then it didn't.

The initial point being made, was that if JB is guilty and therefore no call took place, then by making up the call, he sealed his own fate.

That is clearly the case.

If Jeremy committed the crime do you think he would have hade a better chance of getting away with it if he just left WHF didn't call anyone, then just waited for the farmworkers to discover the bodies?

[Alias]

Isn't it interesting, the different ways in which we all see Sheila. I wonder who she was really.

I don't believe she was looking forward to a happy life with the family. Not the English one, anyway. I think, when her biological mother left she took with her all Sheila's hopes of what might have been and she may have been left with what was. Certainly, she seems to have accepted religion but I suspect more to please June than herself. I get the feeling that she may have had to work very hard at pleasing June and may even have tried to persuade the boys to do the same.

I can't go along with Jeremy having a mental illness. I'll settle for personality disorder, though.

Good post.
Personally I think that Sheila, if responsible for the killings, did them to "please" June - in a skewed, insane logic.
I think that might be the reason Sheila committed suicide in the room where June was lying dead. "Look mum, I ridded the world of all the evil, I am a good girl, now love me." - Yeah, I made that up, just a train of thoughts, I know I will be roasted over a slow fire! 

Devil´s children and all that. That started with June. She called Sheila the Devil´s child, who in turn called her sons the same - she just went further; they were "women haters, especially Nicholas", they were capable of raping and killing her.
Why the poor boys weren´t taken from her right there and then is a mystery to me.
In the doctors´ statements (especially Dr. Furgusson) you can read between the lines that a lot of "hand washing" was going on.

[guest154]

That's my thinking, too, Hartley. That he believed suspicion would fall on him. So took the steps to 1, create and alibi and 2, put himself in a position where he could set the scene, where he could make the comments about Sheila - maybe even try to stall the police outside - even be seen arriving at the farm.

[Alias]

She reared them mostly on her own didn't she?  Quite frankly, three or four bullet holes in the head renders your arguments laughable if the whole thing wasn't so sad.

You have NO evidence which supports Jeremy Bamber which isn't that surprising really but do keep on trying.  Many legal eagles before you have attempted to do what you are doing but they have all similarly failed, the best that even they could have hoped for was a retrial on the basis that the conviction was unsafe.  Not even that succeeded as the evidence against Jeremy is unassailable.

The last half year, Colin had the twins mostly because Sheila couldn´t cope.

[Adam]

If Jeremy committed the crime do you think he would have hade a better chance of getting away with it if he just left WHF didn't call anyone, then just waited for the farmworkers to discover the bodies?

No. His best option was to ring the police and spend several hours insinuating Sheila.

Ringing the police from an his cottage, saying Neville phone him. Then arriving after the police is an alibi of sorts. But not a cast iron alibi. But he didn't think he needed one. As he told  Julie, he was 'watertight' & it was an 'open & shut case'.

[gringo]

I think something is being missed.

Taking the possibility of a call in isolation,  there is no reasonable argument of whether it occurred or not.

It is only when you consider other evidence that you can form an opinion as to whether the call occurred or not. Obviously if you believe Sheila is guilty, then the call existed; if you believe JB is the killer, then it didn't.

The initial point being made, was that if JB is guilty and therefore no call took place, then by making up the call, he sealed his own fate.

That is clearly the case.

  Is there a reason why that is addressed to me? What have I said that differs from your conclusion?

[maggie]

I thought you were a supporter? 

You may find it hard to believe but I am not stupid mat, I am agreeing with Hartley that if you agree Sheila is guilty the call was made and if you believe Jeremy guilty then the call was not made ..... can't argue with that.  As to what I believe, I have an open mind,  how do I know what happened as I wasn't present.  I am not good at black and white there are always too many possibilities imo.

[lookout]

Good post.
Personally I think that Sheila, if responsible for the killings, did them to "please" June - in a skewed, insane logic.
I think that might be the reason Sheila committed suicide in the room where June was lying dead. "Look mum, I ridded the world of all the evil, I am a good girl, now love me." - Yeah, I made that up, just a train of thoughts, I know I will be roasted over a slow fire! 

Devil´s children and all that. That started with June. She called Sheila the Devil´s child, who in turn called her sons the same - she just went further; they were "women haters, especially Nicholas", they were capable of raping and killing her.
Why the poor boys weren´t taken from her right there and then is a mystery to me.
In the doctors´ statements (especially Dr. Furgusson) you can read between the lines that a lot of "hand washing" was going on.

Good post Alias. I'm not even 100% sure that Sheila was schizophrenic. ?

[guest2181]

  Is there a reason why that is addressed to me? What have I said that differs from your conclusion?

Not inentionally,  other than it looked like an argument was about to escalate.

I was just trying to bring the discussions back down again.

My apologies if you've taken offence.   

[maggie]

That's my thinking, too, Hartley. That he believed suspicion would fall on him. So took the steps to 1, create and alibi and 2, put himself in a position where he could set the scene, where he could make the comments about Sheila - maybe even try to stall the police outside - even be seen arriving at the farm.

That's a possibility but it requires nerves of steel and an ability to completely disassociate himself emotionally from killing his close family.  Is he capable of this?  There's nothing that proves he is but he could be, we have been told all psychological tests show he is not a psychopath, has no personality disorders and is sane.  That is what we're told, we have no proof as far as I know that this isn't true.