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[Caroline]

Lookout, it is hard for me to understand that you can be in favour of the death penalty when in the same breath you talk about someone who was wrongly evecuted. That is serious SHIT!!! Murder actually.

I completely agree - I'm glad we don't have the DP, but if we had, Jeremy certainly wouldn't be here now!

[lookout]

I completely agree - I'm glad we don't have the DP, but if we had, Jeremy certainly wouldn't be here now!

No,Jeremy wouldn't be here,but would anyone care ?? What's the difference in him being incarcerated until he dies. ?

[Jane]

That's what I said,yes. Because I've actually taken the trouble to follow the case up on Jeremy is different to if I hadn't bothered,is what I'm saying.
If I hadn't have followed the case,and been as " involved " as I am,then as far as I'd be concerned if we'd still had hanging in-situ,it wouldn't have mattered to me. It would have been just another hanging.
I remember my dad talking about James Hanratty in the early 60's,and dad said,oh dear,they're wrong.I didn't know about the case,but I also remember mum who was adamant that he should hang,because everyone else had said so,that he'd committed murder.
However,donkeys years later I don't know how many years ago,he was proved innocent and duly posthumously pardoned.

Sad,and a shock for the families,but he'd already been charged and went through all the channels of being found guilty,etc,the same as Jeremy,and if I didn't know any different now,and thought that Jeremy was the murderer,would his loss have affected anyone ? The answer is no,because people put their faith in the law.

Lookout, I'm ALMOST speechless. That you can shrug your shoulders and say if an innocent man is found to have been put to death he'll be granted a posthumous pardon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW will a posthumous pardon release his family from the shame and humiliation of having, for years, been thought to be related to a guilty man and deprived of the emotional and financial support his presence with them may have provided!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[susan]

Hello lookout if Jeremy is innocent and was wrongly convicted he has some hope of being released.

[Alias]

No,Jeremy wouldn't be here,but would anyone care ?? What's the difference in him being incarcerated until he dies. ?

Hope. Life.

[ngb1066]

I remember my dad talking about James Hanratty in the early 60's,and dad said,oh dear,they're wrong.I didn't know about the case,but I also remember mum who was adamant that he should hang,because everyone else had said so,that he'd committed murder.
However,donkeys years later I don't know how many years ago,he was proved innocent and duly posthumously pardoned.
Sad,and a shock for the families,but he'd already been charged and went through all the channels of being found guilty,etc,the same as Jeremy,and if I didn't know any different now,and thought that Jeremy was the murderer,would his loss have affected anyone ? The answer is no,because people put their faith in the law.

James Hanratty did not receive a posthumous pardon.  The CCRC referred the case to the Court of Appeal a few years ago but that appeal was very firmly rejected upon the basis of new LCN DNA test results. 

 

[Caroline]

James Hanratty did not receive a posthumous pardon.  The CCRC referred the case to the Court of Appeal a few years ago but that appeal was very firmly rejected upon the basis of new LCN DNA test results. 

 

I remember that, it proved his was guilt. There was another guy who admitted to being responsible, guess he was just an attention seeker.

[lookout]

Hello lookout if Jeremy is innocent and was wrongly convicted he has some hope of being released.

Absolutely Susan.

[lookout]

Lookout, I'm ALMOST speechless. That you can shrug your shoulders and say if an innocent man is found to have been put to death he'll be granted a posthumous pardon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW will a posthumous pardon release his family from the shame and humiliation of having, for years, been thought to be related to a guilty man and deprived of the emotional and financial support his presence with them may have provided!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's called being emotionally detached,April. If I didn't know,or know of a person who's been put to death,then it doesn't matter does it ?

[lookout]

James Hanratty did not receive a posthumous pardon.  The CCRC referred the case to the Court of Appeal a few years ago but that appeal was very firmly rejected upon the basis of new LCN DNA test results.





I didn't know much about the case,ngb,so I was only really assuming that that was the case.
You see,I didn't even know about the rejection either. Goodness me.

 

[scipio_usmc]

Lookout, I'm ALMOST speechless. That you can shrug your shoulders and say if an innocent man is found to have been put to death he'll be granted a posthumous pardon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW will a posthumous pardon release his family from the shame and humiliation of having, for years, been thought to be related to a guilty man and deprived of the emotional and financial support his presence with them may have provided!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posthumous pardons are worthless except to descendants of the person pardoned.  It certainly does no good to the dead person who was jailed for the crime or put to death. The descendants feel better by it but no one else really cares.

With respect to child rapists, I don't think they can be cured and believe they should rot in prison forever unless their conviction is overturned and if there is ironclad evidence proving they committed the rapes I would be fine with the death penalty. But I would want more than just testimony from kids which can be manipulated I want corroborating evidence of guilt before the death penalty would be able to be applied.

[lookout]

James Hanratty did not receive a posthumous pardon.  The CCRC referred the case to the Court of Appeal a few years ago but that appeal was very firmly rejected upon the basis of new LCN DNA test results.





It was Bentley,not Hanratty. 

 

[Caroline]

It's called being emotionally detached,April. If I didn't know,or know of a person who's been put to death,then it doesn't matter does it ?

It certainly matters to someone, if their innocent relative is butchered by the state just to appease the masses and it would matter to me a great deal! That's called 'empathy'!!

[Jane]

It's called being emotionally detached,April. If I didn't know,or know of a person who's been put to death,then it doesn't matter does it ?

Which you certainly don't appear to be re Jeremy. You labour the point about how badly he's been treated but seem to be void of feelings for an innocent  who has been murdered by the state and those of their family.

[lookout]

Which you certainly don't appear to be re Jeremy. You labour the point about how badly he's been treated but seem to be void of feelings for an innocent  who has been murdered by the state and those of their family.

You'd be surprised April. No emotion towards Jeremy whatsoever.It wouldn't matter if it was Joe Egg. It's the injustice that's staring me in the face which enrages me.Jeremy could be anyone,it could even be a Jane,I'd still feel the same having read yards of information attached to the case. I tend not to think of the person themselves,but their background from childhood onwards to get an overall idea of what he or she's about.