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[lookout]

Yes and no alibi which put him anywhere else at the time they were committed.

Just because there isn't an alibi doesn't mean a thing. You should know that ? Or,judging by your answer,you clearly don't.

[Mr. Gee]

Yes, it is. My views on all else, rellies, Julie, police, remain very much as they were.

Mine remain the same since the trial and it ain't because I am emotionally involved either. It is because of the shoddy way in which the so called evidence was handled and those testimonies and that evidence that should not have been allowed in court. My opinion does not only rely upon whether a phone call did or did not happen, or upon whether he knew how much was in his fathers wallet.

[Mr. Gee]

Just because there isn't an alibi doesn't mean a thing. You should know that ? Or,judging by your answer,you clearly don't.

Any competent criminal would make sure he did have an alibi. I simply cannot see how a man can be both intelligent and smart at the same time as being stupid?

[lookout]

Yes, it is. My views on all else, rellies, Julie, police, remain very much as they were.

Now you're being silly. You can't have your cake and eat it. EVERYONE was right when Jeremy got his conviction. How can it be that you remain to have doubts about all those people who put Jeremy where he is ? I suggest you use these peoples' notes/statements,etc in a "process of elimination " as to their parts during the case. In other words,list any " misdemeanors " then balance them against the evidence that got Jeremy convicted and then look at the case from another angle and see what you come up with that blames Jeremy.

[Caroline]

Mine remain the same since the trial and it ain't because I am emotionally involved either. It is because of the shoddy way in which the so called evidence was handled and those testimonies and that evidence that should not have been allowed in court. My opinion does not only rely upon whether a phone call did or did not happen, or upon whether he knew how much was in his fathers wallet.

If the phone call didn't happen - Jeremy is guilty - Oh sorry, you're not really concerned about that! The only reason the crime scene was handled as it was, was because Jeremy had everyone thinking his father called him and that Sheila had gone crazy with a gun. They thought it was a murder/suicide because that's what Jeremy fed them. However, I'm sure you're not concerned with that either! Jeremy is where his is because of his own devices and because he wasn't half as clever as he thought he was!

[Jane]

Now you're being silly. You can't have your cake and eat it. EVERYONE was right when Jeremy got his conviction. How can it be that you remain to have doubts about all those people who put Jeremy where he is ? I suggest you use these peoples' notes/statements,etc in a "process of elimination " as to their parts during the case. In other words,list any " misdemeanors " then balance them against the evidence that got Jeremy convicted and then look at the case from another angle and see what you come up with that blames Jeremy.

I think he was set up. I think there was collusion. But it doesn't mean he's innocent.................IMO.

[lookout]

I think he was set up. I think there was collusion. But it doesn't mean he's innocent.................IMO.

Well if you think he was " set up " ( which I don't think,funnily enough ) then think about how he was allegedly set-up and take it from there. You can't be guilty and set-up. It doesn't make sense.

[Jane]

Well if you think he was " set up " ( which I don't think,funnily enough ) then think about how he was allegedly set-up and take it from there. You can't be guilty and set-up. It doesn't make sense.

Makes eminent sense to me, Lookout.

[lookout]

Makes eminent sense to me, Lookout.

Set up by whom though ?

[scipio_usmc]

Kindly list ALL the forensic evidence involving Jeremy.

I have already listed the forensic evidence many times including here:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6505.0.html

Forensic evidence is not required to secure a conviction.  HOWEVER, there was forensic evidence in this case and that evidence proves someone who fled the scene murdered the victims.

Circumstantial and testimonial evidence establish that person who fled was Jeremy.  The testimonial evidence came from Julie and also form Jeremy himself.  Jeremy himself attempted to frame his sister by claiming he left the gun and bullets out and receiving a call from Nevill.  The call proves he knew about the murders before anyone else and only someone would involved would be in a position to know.  Worse by staging the bullets after the murders he proved he was at the scene after the murders.

Those who ignore this and decide to believe he is innocent are running on emotion and bias not logic.

[scipio_usmc]

Any competent criminal would make sure he did have an alibi. I simply cannot see how a man can be both intelligent and smart at the same time as being stupid?

1) Someone who commits a crime by definition can't have a legitimate alibi to prove they were somewhere else at the time they have to lie and make up a false alibi

2) Jeremy did just that and made up being at his home asleep and claimed his father called him and his claim he received such call was supposed to be his alibi.

The evidence establishing Sheila wasn't involved in committing the crimes and her body was staged to make it appear she had committed suicide caused his alibi to backfire and it helped establish he was the killer because he had no way to know about the murders unless he was the killer and would not have made up a call from Nevill blaming Sheila unless he was the one who staged her body to make it look like she committed suicide.

The argument he has to be innocent because no one can make the mistakes attributed to him is a nonsense argument. 

[Jane]

Set up by whom though ?

Have you NEVER considered the possibility?

[lookout]

Have you NEVER considered the possibility?

Nope.

[Jane]

Nope.

Well, at least, having looked at it all round, I was able to consider every possibility.

[Caroline]

1) Someone who commits a crime by definition can't have a legitimate alibi to prove they were somewhere else at the time they have to lie and make up a false alibi

2) Jeremy did just that and made up being at his home asleep and claimed his father called him and his claim he received such call was supposed to be his alibi.

The evidence establishing Sheila wasn't involved in committing the crimes and her body was staged to make it appear she had committed suicide caused his alibi to backfire and it helped establish he was the killer because he had no way to know about the murders unless he was the killer and would not have made up a call from Nevill blaming Sheila unless he was the one who staged her body to make it look like she committed suicide.

The argument he has to be innocent because no one can make the mistakes attributed to him is a nonsense argument.

The call was clearly supposed to be his alibi - it's saying 'hey everyone. I was at home when my dad called me - he was alive then and I was with police later, so it couldn't be me, but if you're interested, he did say Sheila had gone crazy and something about a gun?'