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[Adam]

Hello Adam please direct me to your thread showing all the forensic evidence I guess I missed it.  Thanks.

Not like you to miss something.

[Adam]

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car. 

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber. There is a lot of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which automatically shows it was Bamber. 

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila. 

There is the silencer evidence. 

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not on the massacre night.

As well as the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside is more  forensic evidence. 

[Adam]

1. Uncontaminated hands and nightdress completely free of any gunfire residue or gun oil.  In fact no contaminants of any sort indicated that Sheila never handled the rifle let alone fired it 25 times in quick succession and reloaded its magazine at least twice.

2. Uncontaminated feet.  Sheila's feet were completely clean and free of blood or any other contaminants evidencing the fact that she had been in bed when the attack took place and thereafter only walked on carpet. She could never have been downstairs in the kitchen that morning.

3. Uncut feet. Nevill Bamber was brutally attacked in the kitchen after having been shot several times in the upstairs bedroom.  During the assault in the kitchen a glass lampshade was smashed leaving glass fragments all over the floor. Had Sheila taken part in that attack the soles of her feet or the soles of her slippers would have been pock marked with glass fragments.  Sheila's feet were unmarked as were the soles of her slippers.

4. Only one fingerprint on the rifle evidencing the fact that Sheila did not wield it or fire it.  Had she shot herself twice as alleged by some her thumbprint would have been on the trigger since she would have to had pushed it.  It wasn't.

5. It is almost certain that blood and DNA belonging to Sheila was found in the sound moderator.  Group 'A' human blood matching Sheila was recovered from the sound moderator in 1985.  Later, advances in forensic science methods led to the recovery of DNA from inside the sound moderator which returned 17 markers out of 20 as a match to Sheila which was substantially better than the maximum coincidence rate of thirteen.  Sheila could not have shot herself with the sound moderator attached nor could she have returned it to the gun cupboard after shooting herself twice in the throat.

6. Sheila was in good spirits, looking forward to the future as a family again. Her doctor and her ex husband stated that she was not capable of hurting her father or her children.

7. Two gunshots to her neck.  Hardly indicative of a suicide especially when the first one would have incapacitated her. It is also noticeable that the gun and magazine were empty when found. Was that another coincidence that Sheila just happened to use the last bullet and had no others on her person?

8. No marks or injuries following a fight.  Sheila was tiny compared to the 6' 2" Nevill.  She could not have fought with him without sustaining some sort of injury or damage to her clothing.

9. Sheila had traces of cannabis in her system rendering her calm and docile, not violent or murderous.

10. Sheila had run out of her procyclidine which counteracts the effects of her medication haloperidol. Without this she would have been very shaky and uncoordinated (as described by various witnesses) and would not have had the control needed to get off 25 shots without missing one never mind trying to reload an awkward magazine in between time.  

11. Sheila was unfamiliar with the rifle or any firearm for that matter and would have been unable to make 25 target shots.

12. If Sheila had shot herself in the throat and had remained conscious, there would have been blood in her mouth and throat with resultant blood spatter everywhere as she struggled to breathe. Her fingers would have touched the burning wound and ended up covered in blood as would have her face and neck.  The blood trails running from this wound would have been smudged yet it was not. There was no secondary blood staining to her face or neck when the police initially found her.  The inside of her hands and her finger tips did not have any blood staining.  Sheila therefore was not conscious after the first shot and most certainly did not fire the second one.

13. Sheila's body was found on the far side of the master bedroom away from everyone. Had she committed suicide as some allege it is more than likely that she would have done so beside her children and not remote from them.

14. Perfectly manicured nails and all intact and unbroken.  If Sheila had used the rifle and loaded it at least once she would have ended up with some nail damage.  There was none.

[Adam]

There were also several motives. As well as 'a lot more' (judges words) than £436,000p.

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died. 


BOARDING SCHOOL: 

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school. 


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY: 

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone. 

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins. 


OPPORTUNITY: 

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat. 


HATRED: 

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger. 


RESENTMENT: 

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ? 


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR: 

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children. 


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER:  

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'. 


STATUS, POWER, FAME: 

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged. 


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING: 

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'. 


ON THE DAY: 

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present. 


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN: 

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford. 


ADOPTION: 

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like. 


THE BUSINESS: 

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy. 

[Adam]

There was also -

A mountain of circumstantial evidence.

An opportunity.

No alibi.

[Adam]

Everything fits:

1: Was there a motive - Several. 

2: Was there an opportunity - Yes. 

3: Was there an alibi - No. 

4: Was there a lot of circumstantial evidence - Yes. 

5: Have there been other inheritance killers - Yes. 

6: Was there a way to WHF without being seen - Yes. 

7: Was a bike brought over just before the massacre - Yes. 

8: Was there a way into WHF through a window - Yes. 

9:Was there a way out and to lock a window from outside - Yes. 

10: Was 12pm - 2pm the perfect execution time - Yes. 

11: Was there a lethal weapon inside WHF - Yes. 

12: Are there just two suspects - Yes. 

13: Does the forensic evidence show it was not Sheila - Yes. 

14: Does the silencer evidence round the suspects to one - Yes. 

15: Is a triple frame attempt unprecedented - Yes. 

16: Did Bamber have an opportunity to dispose of evidence - Yes. 

17: Are there lots of reasons why Neville would call Jeremy - No. 

18: Did Bamber have better options, random stranger etc - No. 

19: Would the WHF dogs prevent a massacre or attempt - No. 

20: Did experts believe Sheila capable of such a murderous rage - No.

21: Could Sheila have committed the massacre - No.  

22: Have there been several failed appeals - Yes. 

23: Has anyone retracted or been proved to have lied - No. 



I could continue. Can someone please tell me what does not fit and why the conviction is wrong. 

[buddy]

There were also several motives. As well as 'a lot more' (judges words) than £436,000p.

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died.


BOARDING SCHOOL:

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY:

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone.

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins.


OPPORTUNITY:

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat.


HATRED:

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger.


RESENTMENT:

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ?


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR:

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children.


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER: 

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'.


STATUS, POWER, FAME:

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged.


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING:

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.


ON THE DAY:

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present.


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN:

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford.


ADOPTION:

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like.


THE BUSINESS:

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy.

who is mary mugford?

[David1819]

What changed their mind ?

Sherlock Boutflour

[susan]

Hello buddy

think Mary is Julie's Mum.

[Caroline]

Where ??

He was convicted on it.

[susan]

Adam that is not very nice moderate your tone please I was being polite to you that is the least I can expect back from you.

[Caroline]

there is no forensic evidence that proves JB did it

I hope you never get convicted on circumstantial evidence. Mountain or molehill.

You have tried JB in your mind on his character (perceived by you ) which is also no basis to convict a man of 5 murders.

Lots of people get convicted on circumstantial evidence and if they're guilty, they deserve to be - surely?

[Jan]

Lets not take over this thread - when it has a specific purpose.

All the above has already been discussed several times.

[lookout]

Sherlock Boutflour

Bet he isn't saying " there are no winners ",now !!

[buddy]

I would ask Essex police;
1. Why was JM not charged with drug smuggling.
2. why was JM not charged with burglary from the caravan site.
3. why was JM not charged with cheque card fraud.
4. Why after the murders did she not go to the police as Jeremy had told her " tonight is the night".
5. She had no difficulty identifying the twins, and still said nothing.
6 JM never went to the police in the first place.
Sounds like a woman scorned to me.