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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #225 on: February 26, 2015, 12:42:AM »
If that was his intention he would not have told her anything at all

It was too late he already had been telling her for too long.

He also needed her help. To try to support his claim Nevill called he called her and wanted her to tell police he was worried because Nevill had called.  Initially she did as he wanted and helped.  he blamed a hitman instead of admitting he did it because:

1) he knew it disturbed her that he could do such a thing so he claimed someone else did it so she would not be scared and think he was a stone cold killer
2) he figured she would be scared of a hitman coming to get her if she talked so it would keep her quiet
3) in part he also could have done it in case she did blab so it would look like egg on her face
 
Before they broke up she said she at various times she threatened Jeremy by saying she would tell on him.   He responded back hat the hitman would get her plus police would not believe it.

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« Reply #226 on: February 26, 2015, 08:46:AM »
[color]It was too late he already had been telling her for too long.[/color]

He also needed her help. To try to support his claim Nevill called he called her and wanted her to tell police he was worried because Nevill had called.  Initially she did as he wanted and helped.  he blamed a hitman instead of admitting he did it because:

1) he knew it disturbed her that he could do such a thing so he claimed someone else did it so she would not be scared and think he was a stone cold killer
2) he figured she would be scared of a hitman coming to get her if she talked so it would keep her quiet
3) in part he also could have done it in case she did blab so it would look like egg on her face
 
Before they broke up she said she at various times she threatened Jeremy by saying she would tell on him.   He responded back hat the hitman would get her plus police would not believe it.
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #227 on: February 26, 2015, 10:45:AM »
It was too late he already had been telling her for too long.

He also needed her help. To try to support his claim Nevill called he called her and wanted her to tell police he was worried because Nevill had called.  Initially she did as he wanted and helped.  he blamed a hitman instead of admitting he did it because:

1) he knew it disturbed her that he could do such a thing so he claimed someone else did it so she would not be scared and think he was a stone cold killer
2) he figured she would be scared of a hitman coming to get her if she talked so it would keep her quiet
3) in part he also could have done it in case she did blab so it would look like egg on her face
 
Before they broke up she said she at various times she threatened Jeremy by saying she would tell on him.   He responded back hat the hitman would get her plus police would not believe it.

Common sense Scip!! Why would she drag MM's name out of the blue? It doesn't make sense unless Jeremy told her he was involved.


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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #228 on: February 26, 2015, 04:20:PM »
Or Jeremy just told her that so she would be discredited if she blabbed.

why bother ?

Just don't tell his soon to be ex-girlfriend anything at all.
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« Reply #229 on: February 26, 2015, 04:24:PM »
It was too late he already had been telling her for too long.

He also needed her help. To try to support his claim Nevill called he called her and wanted her to tell police he was worried because Nevill had called.  Initially she did as he wanted and helped.  he blamed a hitman instead of admitting he did it because:

1) he knew it disturbed her that he could do such a thing so he claimed someone else did it so she would not be scared and think he was a stone cold killer
2) he figured she would be scared of a hitman coming to get her if she talked so it would keep her quiet
3) in part he also could have done it in case she did blab so it would look like egg on her face
 
Before they broke up she said she at various times she threatened Jeremy by saying she would tell on him.   He responded back hat the hitman would get her plus police would not believe it.

that's just rubbish - all the time she says he had been planning it and all the conversations they "allegedly" had then he told her "his" plans . There was no one else involved - and she never reported him then - or even warned his family . And on the night she said she knew he had done it - no hitman mentioned . So she could have told the police when she went to do the ID.

Sorry I don't buy it.


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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #230 on: February 26, 2015, 04:34:PM »
why bother ?

Just don't tell his soon to be ex-girlfriend anything at all.

Because he had told her of his fantasies for killing the family for a year - perhaps that's all they started as. If after that they all end up dead - she's going to suspect him. She didn't start out as 'his soon to be ex-girlfriend' but by then, he had already told her too much. Damage limitations - he told her that MM did it to either discredit her if she blabbed or to frighten her - she might think twice about telling police if she thought a 'professional hit man' was involved.
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #231 on: February 26, 2015, 04:50:PM »
Because he had told her of his fantasies for killing the family for a year - perhaps that's all they started as. If after that they all end up dead - she's going to suspect him. She didn't start out as 'his soon to be ex-girlfriend' but by then, he had already told her too much. Damage limitations - he told her that MM did it to either discredit her if she blabbed or to frighten her - she might think twice about telling police if she thought a 'professional hit man' was involved.

Wasn´t MM a plumber? Hardly a "professional hitman".

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« Reply #232 on: February 26, 2015, 04:55:PM »
Wasn´t MM a plumber? Hardly a "professional hitman".





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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #233 on: February 26, 2015, 04:59:PM »
Common sense Scip!! Why would she drag MM's name out of the blue? It doesn't make sense unless Jeremy told her he was involved.

1)It makes no sense to claim a hitman was involved since she knew Jeremy had no alibi.  If she were going to make up the claim he confessed then she would have said he confessed to committing the murders himself

2) Even if she were going to make up the hitman claim just for the hell of it (since she had no need to), naming someone who can prove he wasn't involved defeats the entire story and ruins the whole scheme.  I causes no annoyance at all to Jeremy if police investigate the claim he hired MM and then MM establishes he wasn't involved.  So that goes back to point 1 if you are going to lie to spite Jeremy you say he confessed to committing the murders himself.  He had no alibi and knew about the murders since he is the one who notified the police there was a problem. Why would a hitman story even enter her mind?  The only reason to think up a hitman story would be if he had a solid alibi so the only way she could implicate him would be suggesting he paid someone to do it.

 
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #234 on: February 26, 2015, 05:01:PM »
Does one need an alibi ? NO. Not when they're telling the truth.

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« Reply #235 on: February 26, 2015, 05:16:PM »
that's just rubbish - all the time she says he had been planning it and all the conversations they "allegedly" had then he told her "his" plans . There was no one else involved - and she never reported him then - or even warned his family . And on the night she said she knew he had done it - no hitman mentioned . So she could have told the police when she went to do the ID.

Sorry I don't buy it.

That just demonstrates you choose to believe things that make no sense.  When this is pointed out you whine like a baby, call the messenger rude etc.

It makes no sense for Julie to make up so many details of what he told her and when. if she was lying she would not have come up with such a detailed account.  After they broke up he flirted with a girl in front of him and she thought this was rude and hurtful.  To suggest this would prompt her to decide that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for a crime he didn't commit is pretty ridiculous.  There is  no evidence to suggest she felt so jilted that she would decide she wanted him to spend the rest of his life in jail for crimes he didn't commit.  But even if she were so upset she would want him in jail rather than finding someone else to be happy with then she would have made up general lies that would be hard to inspect the veracity of.  Not provide detailed account, which takes time to make up.  She didn't go to the police with a story written down she told them verbally about the conversations.  Just making stuff up like that off the fly is not easy or likely.

But more importantly she would just have made up him confessing to having killed them if she was just trying to frame him.  She would have said he called her after it was done and told her outright that he killed them.  Instead she suggests she had to read between the lines to figure out they had been killed.  She said she asked for details later on asking how he could be so cold to kill the boys and he told her MM did it he couldn't do it personally he had to hire MM.  If this were a lie to punish him why would she claim such it makes no sense.  She would say he admitted to killing them personally. 

You demonstrate time and again you choose to believe whatever supports Jeremy even if that means believing the more absurd explanation for something rather than the more rational explanation.   You have nothing to challenge the evidence that Sheila could not have killed herself and yet choose to believe that the most vast conspiracy in UK history occurred to plant evidence and frame Jeremy.

While you assert it is because you are being rational that is not the case at all.  you are doing so out of bias and intentionally ignoring the evidence and making up excuses including asserting the absurd happened time and again. Take giant leaps of faith all you like but be honest and admit that is what you are doing.  Pretending you are looking at the evidence logically and objectively is not fooling anyone.



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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #236 on: February 26, 2015, 05:20:PM »
Wasn´t MM a plumber? Hardly a "professional hitman".

There were rumors he was a mercenary because he had done contracting work overseas. Whether Jeremy believed those rumors himself who knows but he took advantage of them and the rumors were sufficient for Julie to believe MM could take a job as a hitman.




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« Reply #237 on: February 26, 2015, 05:29:PM »
That just demonstrates you choose to believe things that make no sense. When this is pointed out you whine like a baby, call the messenger rude etc.

It makes no sense for Julie to make up so many details of what he told her and when. if she was lying she would not have come up with such a detailed account.  After they broke up he flirted with a girl in front of him and she thought this was rude and hurtful.  To suggest this would prompt her to decide that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for a crime he didn't commit is pretty ridiculous.  There is  no evidence to suggest she felt so jilted that she would decide she wanted him to spend the rest of his life in jail for crimes he didn't commit.  But even if she were so upset she would want him in jail rather than finding someone else to be happy with then she would have made up general lies that would be hard to inspect the veracity of.  Not provide detailed account, which takes time to make up.  She didn't go to the police with a story written down she told them verbally about the conversations.  Just making stuff up like that off the fly is not easy or likely.

But more importantly she would just have made up him confessing to having killed them if she was just trying to frame him.  She would have said he called her after it was done and told her outright that he killed them.  Instead she suggests she had to read between the lines to figure out they had been killed.  She said she asked for details later on asking how he could be so cold to kill the boys and he told her MM did it he couldn't do it personally he had to hire MM.  If this were a lie to punish him why would she claim such it makes no sense.  She would say he admitted to killing them personally. 

You demonstrate time and again you choose to believe whatever supports Jeremy even if that means believing the more absurd explanation for something rather than the more rational explanation.   You have nothing to challenge the evidence that Sheila could not have killed herself and yet choose to believe that the most vast conspiracy in UK history occurred to plant evidence and frame Jeremy.

While you assert it is because you are being rational that is not the case at all.  you are doing so out of bias and intentionally ignoring the evidence and making up excuses including asserting the absurd happened time and again. Take giant leaps of faith all you like but be honest and admit that is what you are doing.  Pretending you are looking at the evidence logically and objectively is not fooling anyone.
And you wonder why they call "the messenger" rude? When you use such expressions like that to describe them? For some reason your ideas are "common sense" and someone who challenges you have "crazy ideas". Yet their objection is just as worthy as yours. You are rude and you've gotton away with it for far too long. Have a bit of respect for the intelligence of others for a change.
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« Reply #238 on: February 26, 2015, 05:31:PM »
And people wonder why I lose patience with these bozos? ::)

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« Reply #239 on: February 26, 2015, 05:37:PM »
And you wonder why they call "the messenger" rude? When you use such expressions like that to describe them? For some reason your ideas are "common sense" and someone who challenges you have "crazy ideas". Yet their objection is just as worthy as yours. You are rude and you've gotton away with it for far too long. Have a bit of respect for the intelligence of others for a change.


Sorry, but there's no way I can put the accusation of a female "whining like a baby" in the same degree of foulness as calling a female a F&^$£^g  B)(*h.