Where Jeremy said he left the gun

[Kaldin]

The website clearly states scullery but according to Jeremy's sketch it does not have an external door whilst the snap shows such a door.

I wonder if the website is wrong?



This seems to be the right room with the settle so which room is it?

It's the room which the police first entered. They came in the back door which you can see. To their right was the door to the kitchen, and to their left are some cupboards etc. You can also see where the back office is - through the greyish door - that's where the gun cupboard was.

Horseydave said that this part of the house was originally a separate but attached cottage with its own staircase. The staircase would be roughly where the photographer was standing.

[Kaldin]

Woodcock described that room in his statement.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=179.0;attach=271;image

[John]

So, I take it this is the 'back kitchen' according to the plan?

[Kaldin]

So, I take it this is the 'back kitchen' according to the plan?

No, that's the kitchen where Nevill was found. The police came through the back door to the house, and turned right through another door into the kitchen. You can see the door through which they entered  the kitchen in the top right of the photo.

[HMEssex]

This house is so confusing 

If the office is so close, why didn't Jeremy take a few more steps and put the gun away in the cupboard there?  Or have I got that place wrong?

[Kaldin]

This is a photo of the side/back of the house. You can see the external door they bashed down to get in.

[Kaldin]

This house is so confusing 

If the office is so close, why didn't Jeremy take a few more steps and put the gun away in the cupboard there?  Or have I got that place wrong?

Yes, the office is right next to that area where the settle was.

I think he was asked that question at the trial.  :D

I'm not clear myself as to where the gun was allegedly left, but I think it's important to establish where exactly he left it.

[joolz1975]

Cant believe they had an housekeeper!

She wasnt doing a great job!!

[HMEssex]

Cant believe they had an housekeeper!

She wasnt doing a great job!!

I've often wondered what she actually did!

[Kaldin]

Anyway, if Jeremy was the culprit it would be more sensible of him to say he left the gun in the kitchen - ie, somewhere it was easily accessible for Sheila to just happen to find and pick up. If he said he left it in the back kitchen, she wouldn't really come across the gun unless she went out to that area for some bizarre reason.

[chochokeira]

The website clearly states scullery but according to Jeremy's sketch it does not have an external door whilst the snap shows such a door.

I wonder if the website is wrong?



This seems to be the right room with the settle so which room is it?

I once had a house with two access doors at the front, but used only of these because I prefered the layout of the room that way. If I'd drawn a plan of the house, I doubt that I would have shown the second door, even though it could be easily opened.

[Kaldin]

When Mike gets here, perhaps he could post a plan of the downstairs with an "x marks the spot" or something. 

[HMEssex]

When Mike gets here, perhaps he could post a plan of the downstairs with an "x marks the spot" or something. 

I'm pretty sure he's done that but all has got lost amongst the threads!  Perhaps we need a specific thread dedicated to 'clearly' labelled photos.  (And, no, I'm not voluteering 

[chochokeira]

I think you may have mixed up the scullery with the laundry Kaldin.

The website clearly states scullery.  You will see from Jeremy's sketch that the scullery does not have an external door.

Yes, it does say scullery, but people seem to call different rooms different things. I'm going by the settle as well. If Jeremy had been out with the gun it would be more logical for him to leave it in the room he called the "laundry" as that is near the back door. As you say, the scullery has no external door.

This is a picture of the scullery.



Maybe Mike knows exactly where Jeremy said he left the gun.

This is the storage section of a scullery in the back kitchen of a working farm. I would expect it to be like this.






Crikey! What a mess.  I wonder if that lidded bucket in foreground was where Sheila's clothes were soaking?  Maybe why no one noticed them?

[Kaldin]

When Mike gets here, perhaps he could post a plan of the downstairs with an "x marks the spot" or something. 

I'm pretty sure he's done that but all has got lost amongst the threads!  Perhaps we need a specific thread dedicated to 'clearly' labelled photos.  (And, no, I'm not voluteering 

He hasn't marked the spot where Jeremy said he left the gun.