Where Jeremy said he left the gun

[Kaldin]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

[John]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

You learn something every day. Now I know what a settle is!!

..and as you say it was parked in the back kitchen or scullery.

[HMEssex]

Not very comfy looking!  I wonder if it was a family heirloom?

[sandy]

Not very comfy looking!  I wonder if it was a family heirloom?

I think the one in the actual scullery photo has a fabric on foam base which would be a bit kinder o the bum.

[simong]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

Where is this room in relation to the window that JB was supposed to have gained access from?

[HMEssex]

Not very comfy looking!  I wonder if it was a family heirloom?

I think the one in the actual scullery photo has a fabric on foam base which would be a bit kinder o the bum.

That's alright then!  It reminds me of a park bench or a church pew.

[Kaldin]

I'm just going by what it says on the "official" web site in the myths and facts section.

Jeremy left the gun out on the table
 
No, Jeremy left the Anshultz rifle on the settle in the scullery next to the kitchen.

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/myths-facts

On Jeremy's drawing, the scullery was a room which led from the kitchen, but the only picture of a settle I can find is the one I've posted, and that's a picture of what Jeremy referred to as the "laundry" and which others have referred to as the "back kitchen".

Here's Jeremy's plan of the house.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217.0;attach=498;image

I think it is quite important to know where he said he left the gun. If he's telling the truth, it could be significant as to whether Sheila happened upon the gun or if she had to make an effort to go and find it.

[Kaldin]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

Where is this room in relation to the window that JB was supposed to have gained access from?

I think it was said that Jeremy got in through the downstairs toilet window. He would have had to go through the kitchen to get to the room in the photo.

[HMEssex]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

Where is this room in relation to the window that JB was supposed to have gained access from?

I think it was said that Jeremy got in through the downstairs toilet window. He would have had to go through the kitchen to get to the room in the photo.

Is this pic the right way round?  I thought I'd read that when the police entered the house they had to turn right to enter the kitchen.

[Kaldin]

I think you may have mixed up the scullery with the laundry Kaldin.

The website clearly states scullery.  You will see from Jeremy's sketch that the scullery does not have an external door.

Yes, it does say scullery, but people seem to call different rooms different things. I'm going by the settle as well. If Jeremy had been out with the gun it would be more logical for him to leave it in the room he called the "laundry" as that is near the back door. As you say, the scullery has no external door.

This is a picture of the scullery.



Maybe Mike knows exactly where Jeremy said he left the gun.

[Hartley]

The plans drawn by JB are inaccurate.

[Kaldin]

Can we just sort this out? Obviously, there is only Jeremy's word for it that he left the gun out at all, but he said he left it on the settle not the kitchen table. The settle appears to be in the "back kitchen" - ie the bit where the police got into the house before they entered the kitchen.

Where is this room in relation to the window that JB was supposed to have gained access from?

I think it was said that Jeremy got in through the downstairs toilet window. He would have had to go through the kitchen to get to the room in the photo.

Is this pic the right way round?  I thought I'd read that when the police entered the house they had to turn right to enter the kitchen.

They did.  The door to the kitchen is to the left of the pic.

[Kaldin]

The plans drawn by JB are inaccurate.

Here's a better plan of the house.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217.0;attach=511;image

However, you'll see that the room Jeremy called the "laundry" is called the "back kitchen" on this plan.

[John]

The website clearly states scullery but according to Jeremy's sketch it does not have an external door whilst the snap shows such a door.

I wonder if the website is wrong?



This seems to be the right room with the settle so which room is it?

[HMEssex]

I think you may have mixed up the scullery with the laundry Kaldin.

The website clearly states scullery.  You will see from Jeremy's sketch that the scullery does not have an external door.

Yes, it does say scullery, but people seem to call different rooms different things. I'm going by the settle as well. If Jeremy had been out with the gun it would be more logical for him to leave it in the room he called the "laundry" as that is near the back door. As you say, the scullery has no external door.

This is a picture of the scullery.



Maybe Mike knows exactly where Jeremy said he left the gun.

Crikey! What a mess.  I wonder if that lidded bucket in foreground was where Sheila's clothes were soaking?  Maybe why no one noticed them?