The series of unlikely events needed for Jeremy to be innocent

[Adam]

Who was the officer at the time who was disciplined ? It seems there's more to the case than meets the eye. Was this the officer who broke down in court giving evidence ? Is this the same officer whose marriage broke down because of " it " ? Is this the officer who was disciplined ? And for what ? Whatever " it " was.

Can you find out and provide a source please. I do not think anyone knows the answer.

[maggie]

Can you find out and provide a source please. I do not think anyone knows the answer.

It was DC Hammersely SOC

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3503.msg138633.html#msg138633

Don't know what 'it' was though.

[scipio_usmc]

funny is it not - Jeremy does not like killing rabbits that's why his actions were improbable - but he is ok with killing his family

A whole SERIES of issues makes it improbable he got out the gun to shoot rabbits the night of the murders.  1 of them is that he was not in the habit of doing so. Another was he didn't like shooting animals.  There were other reasons as well that make it unlikely.

In contrast he had a reason to kill his family.  A reason why he wanted to kill all of them not just his parents.  Various evidence establishes he did so regardless of the fact that people are in general unlikely to kill their family.

You and other supporters like to look at things in isolation because when the totality of the evidence is together it is overwhelming and there is nothing you can even attempt to do to take care of all of it.  Even in isolation you can't deal with some of it and just try to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.  That is often done with the simple dismissal as opposed to rebutting the evidence which is what is necessary to get such evidence to go away. Who addresses the bullets he staged in any competent manner?  No one frankly.  No one is dealing with most of the prongs related to whether it would be likely for him to have gotten the gun out let alone finding it with the moderator and scope removed as he claims.

He stood to gain hundreds of thousands of pounds from killing his family but nothing from killing rabbits.

[Caroline]

Who was the officer at the time who was disciplined ? It seems there's more to the case than meets the eye. Was this the officer who broke down in court giving evidence ? Is this the same officer whose marriage broke down because of " it " ? Is this the officer who was disciplined ? And for what ? Whatever " it " was.

He didn't break down in court Lookout and he was disciplined over an over-time claim.

[scipio_usmc]

what is odd is that when we had discussions about this before you acknowledged that all of the above was "possible" . Just because it is unlikely in your opinion - proves nothing .

And that is why you post a whole ream of information at once because you think it proves a point. But if each point can be shown to be "possible"  it proves nothing at all.

And why you are arguing about the light I have not a clue - Often harvests at that time of year happen very late in the evening , because they catch the light and good weather whenever they can .

This thread is highlighting a series of extremely unlikely things that would have to have happened in order for Jeremy to be innocent. The odds of all of them happening defies any realistic chance of ever happening in unison.  Anyone who refuses to face that is just intentionally trying to fool themselves.   

[scipio_usmc]

Why would he have had a rifle at a farm if not for shooting vermin? Makes perfect sense.

He allegedly bought it to use for target practice and that is the only documented use of the rifle by him.

[Jan]

Well he didn't use it to fire a single shot at a rabbit, did he ?

You don't live in the country do you? :D They don't just hang about waving a flag saying shoot me.

And in the environment JB lived in you can be an animal lover and still kill "vermin" its part of life. I expect that to be part of "farming" life there was a lot of pressure for him to join the hunting/shooting/fishing set , you would be considered a woos if you didn't
 

[Patti]

A whole SERIES of issues makes it improbable he got out the gun to shoot rabbits the night of the murders.  1 of them is that he was not in the habit of doing so. Another was he didn't like shooting animals.  There were other reasons as well that make it unlikely.

In contrast he had a reason to kill his family.  A reason why he wanted to kill all of them not just his parents.  Various evidence establishes he did so regardless of the fact that people are in general unlikely to kill their family.

You and other supporters like to look at things in isolation because when the totality of the evidence is together it is overwhelming and there is nothing you can even attempt to do to take care of all of it.  Even in isolation you can't deal with some of it and just try to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.  That is often done with the simple dismissal as opposed to rebutting the evidence which is what is necessary to get such evidence to go away. Who addresses the bullets he staged in any competent manner?  No one frankly.  No one is dealing with most of the prongs related to whether it would be likely for him to have gotten the gun out let alone finding it with the moderator and scope removed as he claims.

He stood to gain hundreds of thousands of pounds from killing his family but nothing from killing rabbits.

If you can sort PV/2 out I will listen...

[Jan]

9) Sheila for some reason had to have decided not to kill her parents right away but instead decided to run around with the gun ranting and to somehow give Nevill at least several minutes alone in the kitchen


Lets try this one for a change .

JB never said a shot had been fired. He never said she was threatening anyone with a gun .

How do you know she was not just threatening herself and talking incoherently ? She could have been in the room with him when he called ? But there was still time ( because it would not take long to run upstairs and start firing? ) As soon as he heard a shot NB ran after her?

There are lots of scenarios - but when the call was made there was no message to say anyone had been shot at that time.

[lookout]

It was DC Hammersely SOC

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3503.msg138633.html#msg138633

Don't know what 'it' was though.

Thanks Maggie---------the man that was never there,Hammersley.

[lookout]

He didn't break down in court Lookout and he was disciplined over an over-time claim.

One of the officers broke down. I remember reading about it Caroline.

[Adam]

You don't live in the country do you? :D They don't just hang about waving a flag saying shoot me.

And in the environment JB lived in you can be an animal lover and still kill "vermin" its part of life. I expect that to be part of "farming" life there was a lot of pressure for him to join the hunting/shooting/fishing set , you would be considered a woos if you didn't

Guess he shouldn't have bothered going out after them if they were not going to hang about.

Nice that he did, after a 17 hour day for the parents he hated.

[Adam]

9) Sheila for some reason had to have decided not to kill her parents right away but instead decided to run around with the gun ranting and to somehow give Nevill at least several minutes alone in the kitchen


Lets try this one for a change .

JB never said a shot had been fired. He never said she was threatening anyone with a gun .

How do you know she was not just threatening herself and talking incoherently ? She could have been in the room with him when he called ? But there was still time ( because it would not take long to run upstairs and start firing? ) As soon as he heard a shot NB ran after her?

There are lots of scenarios - but when the call was made there was no message to say anyone had been shot at that time.

'Please come over. Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'.

The phone then went dead. Jeremy unable to phone back.

[Caroline]

One of the officers broke down. I remember reading about it Caroline.

He did break down but not in court - it was during an interview with his superiors.

[scipio_usmc]

You don't live in the country do you? :D They don't just hang about waving a flag saying shoot me.

And in the environment JB lived in you can be an animal lover and still kill "vermin" its part of life. I expect that to be part of "farming" life there was a lot of pressure for him to join the hunting/shooting/fishing set , you would be considered a woos if you didn't

There are woods near my house.  Right now everything is covered in ice but otherwise deer and rabbits come to eat the plants in my yard.  They come in all out yards but mine has more stuff to eat than most-we have a lot of different shrubs and bushes including some that have eaten to the ground in the past so I had to replace.  It is not lawful to kill them to protect my plants nor do I believe in killing animals- like they said of Jeremy. Killing one or 2 would accomplish nothing anyway since I have no hope of killing them all and that is what would be necessary to prevent any rabbits or deer from coming to my property from the woods.  The only thing that can be done is to run out and scare them away if they are noticed. They run away in a flash.

But if I did decide I wanted to try to kill them all and ignore the law then my family and neighbors would be aware of it because it would be my habit to try to kill them.   If after all this time I suddenly decided to kill animals despite my past opposition then people will wonder what changed. 

How interesting that Jeremy's alleged change came at such an odd time of day, when it would be unlikely for him to even notice the rabbits, for the gun to just happen to be missing the moderator and scope, loading it in front of Sheila, leaving it out... all right before the murders.