The series of unlikely events needed for Jeremy to be innocent

[scipio_usmc]

Yay, so proud you must be! You gave 40 reasons, skippy only 27!!! You must be dancing a happy dance right now, huh....

lol

[Adam]

My 40 reasons thread, every point was tackled by Jan. Some flippantly. There is a valid counter argument for half of my points.

But Neville did not need to think of 40 reasons to not phone Jeremy. Just one or two out of the 40. Resulting in no phone call. Which is much more likely than finding 40 counter arguments.

[Alias]

lol

 

Adam, this is Skippy´s thread, don´t think it is nice of you to try to steal the thunder.

[scipio_usmc]

Adam, this is Skippy´s thread, don´t think it is nice of you to try to steal the thunder.

I don't care if he actually posts something substantive and relevant. I don't need a cheerleader though or someone taunting others.

[lookout]

 There's no explanation for the empty cartridge box which was found-------in the bedroom ? No prints taken ? It was Colin who mentioned it,not the police.

[Alias]

I don't care if he actually posts something substantive and relevant. I don't need a cheerleader though or someone taunting others.

He does it on every thread others than himself create.

[scipio_usmc]

There's no explanation for the empty cartridge box which was found-------in the bedroom ? No prints taken ? It was Colin who mentioned it,not the police.

There are no records related to an empty cartridge box found in the bedroom.  If Colin claimed it was found by someone in the bedroom he was mistaken because neither the police nor the family records finding such.

No prints were taken from what the box you erroneously thought was in the bedroom or the whole house?  They fingerprinted the murder weapon, moderator and casings.  What good is fingerprinting the whole house?  If the killer were a stranger then yes you look for prints that don't belong.  But when the killer is a relative then the only prints on something other than the aforementioned that would be of any real value would be bloody prints.  Prints in general could have been left anytime. Bloody prints would have to have been left at the time of the murders. There were no prints left in blood though, that they did look for. The closest thing to a bloody print was the marks Nevill left on the walls as he made his way to the kitchen. 

 

[Jan]

Adam - I am never flippant and I asked you very politely not to go on about fire fighting.


And by the way it does not matter one tiny bit about how many nit picking "scenarios" are argued about - if they are possible situations then they are possible - end of.

Arguing about things like what NB did with the gun are pretty pointless.

Unless we were in the house at the time we don't KNOW.

And as for assuming how people are going to react to situations - what a waste of time. We are all different and at the time of the call we do not even know what was happening - she could have just been threatening to kill herself.

You are always saying how thick JB is and yet in another breath he was capable of nearly succeeding with one of the most complicated and convoluted murders of all time .

[lookout]

There are no records related to an empty cartridge box found in the bedroom.  If Colin claimed it was found by someone in the bedroom he was mistaken because neither the police nor the family records finding such.

No prints were taken from what the box you erroneously thought was in the bedroom or the whole house?  They fingerprinted the murder weapon, moderator and casings.  What good is fingerprinting the whole house?  If the killer were a stranger then yes you look for prints that don't belong.  But when the killer is a relative then the only prints on something other than the aforementioned that would be of any real value would be bloody prints.  Prints in general could have been left anytime. Bloody prints would have to have been left at the time of the murders. There were no prints left in blood though, that they did look for. The closest thing to a bloody print was the marks Nevill left on the walls as he made his way to the kitchen.

Just because there were no records of an empty cartridge box didn't mean that there wasn't such a thing. It had obviously been conveniently left out. Colin was actually told by an officer at WHF that there was such a box in the bedroom where Sheila and June were found.

[Adam]

Adam - I am never flippant and I asked you very politely not to go on about fire fighting.


And by the way it does not matter one tiny bit about how many nit picking "scenarios" are argued about - if they are possible situations then they are possible - end of.

Arguing about things like what NB did with the gun are pretty pointless.

Unless we were in the house at the time we don't KNOW.

And as for assuming how people are going to react to situations - what a waste of time. We are all different and at the time of the call we do not even know what was happening - she could have just been threatening to kill herself.

You are always saying how thick JB is and yet in another breath he was capable of nearly succeeding with one of the most complicated and convoluted murders of all time .

Scipio created a thread with over 20 'unlikely events for Jeremy to be innocent'. In other words he has tried to highlight Bamber's guilt.

You have argued against some of these attacks. Which is called fire fighting.

Feel free to create a thread for me to fire fight. Evidence please,  not accusations about Julie or the relatives, or the alleged contaminated silencer.

And please don't say 'do you never bother reading anything' when I ask a basic question on a discussion forum.

[Jan]

Scipio created a thread with over 20 'unlikely events for Jeremy to be innocent'. In other words he has tried to highlight Bamber's guilt.

You have argued against some of these attacks. Which is called fire fighting.

Feel free to create a thread for me to fire fight. Evidence please,  not accusations about Julie or the relatives, or the alleged contaminated silencer.

And please don't say 'do you never bother reading anything' when I ask a basic question on a discussion forum.

I have created threads - done it been there got the tee shirt .

this is not a competition. There are no winners .

[scipio_usmc]

You are always saying how thick JB is and yet in another breath he was capable of nearly succeeding with one of the most complicated and convoluted murders of all time .

The WHF murders are not in any way, shape or form close to the most complicated murders.  Committing murder without giving away that you did it is what is complicated and he failed miserably at that.

This thread highlights all the unlikely things that would need to have happened for him to be innocent. 

Actually pulling off such a crime would be complex. You need to plant spatter on the one you want to frame and much more.  Doing it incompetently is no hard at all any fool can do that.

[Adam]

I don't think it was one of the most 'complicated and convoluted' murders of all time.

He just had to get into a property he knew and shoot sleeping people with an available gun.

Another inheritance killer Steve Benson, actually made a car bomb. And had to make sure his targets were in the car when the bomb went off. As well as making sure he had left the car seconds beforehand.

[Adam]

I don't recall saying Jeremy was clever. Certainly not academically. He only had his farm job because of Neville and June.

Since conviction he seems to be using his brain a lot more in his 'Campaign for Freedom'. But as his relatives have said, he has 'nothing better to do'. He also has lawyers, politicians and supporters helping him. Despite this he has still made some bad decisions.

[David1819]

1) Even though it was getting dark out and Jeremy was in the kitchen with the lights on (lighting reflects off windows and makes it more difficult to see outdoors when it is getting dark) he somehow managed to detect rabbits at quite a distance and though Jeremy was against shooting animals and was not known to ever have shot any animals before, he decided to get his gun to shoot at the rabbits instead of running out and chasing them away. 

It was early August which is mid summer in the UK combined with daylight savings in effect its perfectly visible till 9.30pm if not later.

Rabbits specially wild rabbits make high pitch squeaks and noises they are easy to detect with the human ear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA0wsGqPmSk

"Jeremy was against shooting animals and was not known to ever have shot any animals before" - Someone's opinion

Rabbits are pests and chew the crops and other plants. Farmers need to kill moles, rabbits, foxes and other creatures that will consume or disrupt the crops in order to protect their lively hood. There is a reason why farmers have guns you know. I don't think Jeremy chasing them is a good or effective means of pest control.

Well that's the first 'unlikely event' debunked. Should I continue to number 2? or have they all collapsed like dominoes