Who moved Sheila's arm and hand?

[lookout]

In both pictures the trigger is facing the same way so there can't have been any drastic change to the position of the gun. It's perfectly possible that they moved the bible, POSSIBLY to cover blood, but given that they believed Sheila to have been responsible I can see nothing suspicious or sinister in it.

Nobody's talking about sinister. It's just that I think that the change in direction of those " fins " seems odd,always supposing that nothing was moved/tampered with.

[Jane]

Nobody's talking about sinister. It's just that I think that the change in direction of those " fins " seems odd,always supposing that nothing was moved/tampered with.

Presumably movement of her arm, however slight, caused movement of the rifle.

[lookout]

How very apt that I should start reading about a woman searching for her birth mother.It's entitled,using the heading of the newspaper, so I quote," Abandoned as a baby---rejected as an adult,unquote " Very fitting if Sheila had been alive and written a book.

[Jan]

In both pictures the trigger is facing the same way so there can't have been any drastic change to the position of the gun. It's perfectly possible that they moved the bible, POSSIBLY to cover blood, but given that they believed Sheila to have been responsible I can see nothing suspicious or sinister in it.

A poster on here the other day said that despite what the police said - the first thing they would have done is pick up the rifle and ensure it was safe.

Now if that is true then it is very important because a big part of the case is that the scene looks obviously staged.

If it  does appear like that but it is because things were moved before the photos then I think it is hugely important - because  if the original scene was different then perhaps it did not look staged at all?

Also if they moved her hand onto the gun  and that is what made the stain on the nightdress - then her blood was still wet.

The other statement of an officer said the gun was by her side and the bible at waist height.

To me that would make more sense because as she fired it the movement and her hand falling away would possibly cause the gun to fall to one side.

[Jane]

A poster on here the other day said that despite what the police said - the first thing they would have done is pick up the rifle and ensure it was safe.

Now if that is true then it is very important because a big part of the case is that the scene looks obviously staged.

If it  does appear like that but it is because things were moved before the photos then I think it is hugely important - because  if the original scene was different then perhaps it did not look staged at all?

Also if they moved her hand onto the gun  and that is what made the stain on the nightdress - then her blood was still wet.

The other statement of an officer said the gun was by her side and the bible at waist height.

To me that would make more sense because as she fired it the movement and her hand falling away would possibly cause the gun to fall to one side.

But at that stage, why would anything other than an approximation, have been considered necessary? They "knew" what had happened. They had their culprit. They tidied up the scene before the photographers arrived.

[Caroline]

A poster on here the other day said that despite what the police said - the first thing they would have done is pick up the rifle and ensure it was safe.

Now if that is true then it is very important because a big part of the case is that the scene looks obviously staged.

If it  does appear like that but it is because things were moved before the photos then I think it is hugely important - because  if the original scene was different then perhaps it did not look staged at all?

Also if they moved her hand onto the gun  and that is what made the stain on the nightdress - then her blood was still wet.

The other statement of an officer said the gun was by her side and the bible at waist height.

To me that would make more sense because as she fired it the movement and her hand falling away would possibly cause the gun to fall to one side.

Moving the rifle to make it safe is a bit different to totally rearranging the crime scene. To me, it's not where the gun was found (by her side, on her body) that's important, it's the angle the rifle would have to be, to make the first wound. It would have to be at a right angle to her body and although I accept it is maybe possible, I doubt anyone intent on killing themselves would chose the most difficult position to do so.

[lookout]

 Can anyone who knows about rifles,tell me what those " fins " are called which Patti ringed for me,please,and also what their functions are.?

[lookout]

Also,the rifle which was seen in the window is NOT the rifle which was supposedly found near Sheila.

[Jan]

Also,the rifle which was seen in the window is NOT the rifle which was supposedly found near Sheila.
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How do we know that it was only seen from a distance?

Are you assuming it is the one in the photo - and are you saying that is a different rifle?

If so that could have belonged to the police - but it would be very sloppy if that was included in a crime scene photo?

[Jan]

Moving the rifle to make it safe is a bit different to totally rearranging the crime scene. To me, it's not where the gun was found (by her side, on her body) that's important, it's the angle the rifle would have to be, to make the first wound. It would have to be at a right angle to her body and although I accept it is maybe possible, I doubt anyone intent on killing themselves would chose the most difficult position to do so.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one then - because a scene that looked obviously staged against one that looked s if it happened during the act of suicide I think makes a big difference to the case.

And although I think most people would know where to shoot others to cause death - I am not sure that if you were shooting your self you would chose that area and know exactly ,with that type of gun , what area would cause instant death . I  am not sure but I would guess more people use shot guns or small guns to carry out that act . But I could be wrong.

[lookout]

Also,the rifle which was seen in the window is NOT the rifle which was supposedly found near Sheila.
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How do we know that it was only seen from a distance?

Are you assuming it is the one in the photo - and are you saying that is a different rifle?

If so that could have belonged to the police - but it would be very sloppy if that was included in a crime scene photo?

Jan I've thought this for a long time. Look at the difference in the lengths of the barrels of the " Bruno " in the window and the Anschutz on Sheilas' body.

[Caroline]

We will have to agree to disagree on that one then - because a scene that looked obviously staged against one that looked s if it happened during the act of suicide I think makes a big difference to the case.

And although I think most people would know where to shoot others to cause death - I am not sure that if you were shooting your self you would chose that area and know exactly ,with that type of gun , what area would cause instant death . I  am not sure but I would guess more people use shot guns or small guns to carry out that act . But I could be wrong.

Exactly, that sounds as though you're arguing 'against' Sheila killing herself?

[Mr. Gee]

Also,the rifle which was seen in the window is NOT the rifle which was supposedly found near Sheila.

So what is that rifle that we see propped up against the window in one of the photos?

[lookout]

So what is that rifle that we see propped up against the window in one of the photos?

I'm thinking it's the Bruno,Mr G. There is a marked difference in its length,and if it happens to be complete with a silencer making it look longer-----------all the better.

[Jan]

Exactly, that sounds as though you're arguing 'against' Sheila killing herself?

No

I am saying that is why there could have been two shots - she would not have known how exactly to position the gun to have maximum effect.