Why did Neville make such a very very bad decision ?

[Adam]

If you were innocent and you suddenly I think you too would grab on to the chance that the call had been made - or even if you were guilty and wanted release to be honest .

IF Jb is innocent he does not know if the call happened or not does he? So he has to cling on to any chance .

Its like the silencer - he does not KNOW what the truth is if he is innocent.

He does not KNOW what happened when the raid team went in.

So to criticise grabbing on to any chance of proving his case is just human nature.

Why do you think Neville only rang Jeremy for five seconds. Saying eight words to him. Then terminated the call and left the phone off the hook so Jeremy could not ring back. Sheila had not gone crazy at that time.

Then Neville spent several minutes ringing the police. Again leaving the phone off the hook.

[Adam]

Thought Neville would say something like 'Jeremy it's dad, I need you're help, please come over quickly. Sheila's gone crazy and needs calming down. She's holding one of my rifles. Don't ring the police. I will leave the front door open for you. Do you understand ?'.

Just saying 'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun', then putting his hand on the receiver so the line goes dead.  Leaving the handset off,  so not allowing Jeremy to phone back, is very abrupt.

[Jane]

Thought Neville would say something like 'Jeremy it's dad, I need you're help, please come over quickly. Sheila's gone crazy and needs calming down. She's holding one of my rifles. Don't ring the police. I will leave the front door open for you. Do you understand ?'.

Just saying 'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun', then putting his hand on the receiver so the line goes dead.  Leaving the handset off,  so not allowing Jeremy to phone back, is very abrupt.

It's not about you, though, Adam. I think Jeremy CAN be credited with knowing, more than would you, what his father would be likely to say under ANY circumstances. Unlike you, Nevill may have been a man of few words.

[Patti]

It's human nature to check the clock/watch if you get a call in the early hours of the morning.

I never looked at the clock when the police told me to come to my mums. I had a gut feeling that she had died. I knew it was early hours in the morning and I had a digital clock at the side of my phone in the bedroom at the time.  I may have glanced at the clock, but I have never been able to tell anyone what time it was. 

[Patti]

So why aren't you suspicious of Mugford, she changed her times as well? And the police, their times were changed. Does't that also sound suspicious ?

Yes she did....

[Adam]

You know the answer to this . If the call was made there was very good reason why NB could not have calmed her down . Just look at the statement from Freddie Emani - your answer is there .

As you said he did not like to involve family members - Anne and others admitted they had no idea of the extent of Sheilas illness . Perhaps they were ashamed ? Some people in those days were . ( I hope people are better educated these days )

And was it a mistake?

I don't quite know how you can even ask this . Its a bit obvious . And I am sure if she had fired a shot by the time he called then he would have called the police.

Do you think Neville believed Jeremy understood her illness and would calm her down ? If so Neville was very very wrong.

If Jeremy had got into WHF he would have made the situation worse. He has admitted as much himself. As it happened he did not go within 50 feet of WHF, when eventually arriving.

Neville knew Sheila, Jeremy and June. I do not understand how he could make such a bad judgement call.

I do not think it was calming her down. More like overpower her if she was holding a gun.

[Patti]

Good observations. 

That´s why I never do!

Two erroneous clocks in the mix is a turnoff for me. 

P.S. criminals who plan their crimes ahead, as Jeremy is alleged to have done, often have the timings rehearsed down to minutes, like, 9:42 am (just an example).
That raises red flags - not that someone innocent does not remember exact timings. And as Jan says, the times are all over the place for everyone concerned in this case - everyone, not just Jeremy.

That is what I have always believed. 

[Adam]

It's not about you, though, Adam. I think Jeremy CAN be credited with knowing, more than would you, what his father would be likely to say under ANY circumstances. Unlike you, Nevill may have been a man of few words.

Neville makes my teddy bear seem talkative. And we haven't spoken since an argument two months ago.

[Jane]

Neville makes my teddy bear seem talkative. And we haven't spoken since an argument two months ago.

Well ONE of you has to make the first move. Personally I can't bear -pun intended- sulks from either bears or boys.

[Adam]

Before,  the line going abruptly dead during Neville's call to Jeremy could be explained and excuses made.  Neville hearing shots, or Sheila putting her hand on the phone etc.

But that didn't happen as everyone was fine for at least 16 more minutes. Neville having time to ring Chelmsford police station at 3.26am.

I think it is rather rude of Neville to wake someone up at 3am. Say eight words in five seconds. Then terminate the call without saying goodbye. Then leave the phone off the hook so Jeremy could not call back.

Not surprised Jeremy was all over the place for the next few hours.

[Jan]

Do you think Neville believed Jeremy understood her illness and would calm her down ? If so Neville was very very wrong.

If Jeremy had got into WHF he would have made the situation worse. He has admitted as much himself. As it happened he did not go within 50 feet of WHF, when eventually arriving.

Neville knew Sheila, Jeremy and June. I do not understand how he could make such a bad judgement call.

I do not think it was calming her down. More like overpower her if she was holding a gun.

Adam I don't understand the point of your questions?  If Jeremy is innocent of course Nevilles call was a bad decision ? He would not be dead otherwise?

But I am not a mind reader - and I don't know exactly what was going on. I have given my opinion several times - but that is worth zilch in the bigger scheme.

I don't think anyone thought she would actually use the gun on her family . But as everyone uses this argument against Jeremy - there can always be a first and  a last time.

[Alias]

Neville makes my teddy bear seem talkative. And we haven't spoken since an argument two months ago.

That was funny! 

[lookout]

It's a sheer waste of time answering or even conversing with Adam.It goes right over his head.
Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise. I wouldn't waste the " ink " personally.

[Jan]

Before,  the line going abruptly dead during Neville's call to Jeremy could be explained and excuses made.  Neville hearing shots, or Sheila putting her hand on the phone etc.

But that didn't happen as everyone was fine for at least 16 more minutes. Neville having time to ring Chelmsford police station at 3.26am.

I think it is rather rude of Neville to wake someone up at 3am. Say eight words in five seconds. Then terminate the call without saying goodbye and leave the phone off the hook.

Not surprised Jeremy was all over the place for the next few hours.

Adam - you know that the call from Neville has not been proved - so you don't have to keep throwing it into the mix to prove a point .

[Adam]

Adam I don't understand the point of your questions?  If Jeremy is innocent of course Nevilles call was a bad decision ? He would not be dead otherwise?

But I am not a mind reader - and I don't know exactly what was going on. I have given my opinion several times - but that is worth zilch in the bigger scheme.

I don't think anyone thought she would actually use the gun on her family . But as everyone uses this argument against Jeremy - there can always be a first and  a last time.

It seems there are 40 reasons/facts why Neville would not call Jeremy.

However even his supporters are saying Neville made a very very bad decision in phoning him. Meaning the reasons to make the call, which my thread post was about, were weak.