Why did Neville make such a very very bad decision ?

[Adam]

A lot of discussion on Neville's call to Jeremy has been on why Neville would not phone Jeremy. However what is the main reason he would phone ?

Despite several options, Neville obviously felt Jeremy was the best option. Rather than telephoning  other relatives, waking June, or telephoning the Foakes's.  And a better option than the police unless you believe Neville actually called them.

Neville hoped/expected Jeremy to rush over, force entry into WHF  and restrain/calm down Sheila. As well as not involve the police as Neville liked to keep things private.

Quite why Neville and June could not restrain/calm down Sheila themselves I do not know. If they couldn't, there is no reason Jeremy could if/when he arrived at WHF. Neville was also putting Jeremy in danger.

Why did Neville make such a very very bad decision ?

Jeremy did the complete opposite to what Neville expected/hoped. Ringing the police after 26 minutes and then not leaving his cottage until phoning Julie and putting on several layers of clothes.  Then driving very slowly to WHF, rather than rushing over.

Upon arriving at WHF he made no attempt to go within 50 feet of WHF. Unwilling to attempt to restrain and calm down Sheila as Neville hoped/expected. He failed to tell the police he knew of ways inside WHF.

Perhaps Jeremy was scared and confused. Which is understandable. Neville obviously felt he would be brave and focused, willing to risk his own life and attempt to save his family. Although Neville would have to leave the front door open for Jeremy, something he did not do.

Jeremy also had a very poor relationship with Sheila. Telling the police she would not be pleased to see him and saying several distasteful things to the police about her.  Admitting himself decades later he did not understand her illness. Surely Neville knew this. He was both their father.

Neville was not stupid and  knew Jeremy better than anyone. Why do people believe Neville made such a bad judgement call in such a serious situation at 3am ?

[lookout]

Why are you using a pic of someone you hate with a vengeance ? I find that quite insane.
Surely,a person like yourself would not wish to see anything connected to the man ? I certainly wouldn't use a pic of Myra Hindley to get my point across,her face makes me feel physically sick.

I think it's sad that you feel you have to be noticed in this way !!

[Caroline]

A lot of discussion on Neville's call to Jeremy has been on why Neville would not phone Jeremy. However what is the main reason he would phone ?

Despite several options, Neville obviously felt Jeremy was the best option. Rather than telephoning  other relatives, waking June, or telephoning the Foakes's.  And a better option than the police unless you believe Neville actually called them.

Neville hoped/expected Jeremy to rush over, force entry into WHF  and restrain/calm down Sheila. As well as not involve the police as Neville liked to keep things private.

Quite why Neville and June could not restrain/calm down Sheila themselves I do not know. If they couldn't, there is no reason Jeremy could if/when he arrived at WHF. Neville was also putting Jeremy in danger.

Why did Neville make such a very very bad decision ?

Jeremy did the complete opposite to what Neville expected/hoped. Ringing the police after 26 minutes and then not leaving his cottage until phoning Julie and putting on several layers of clothes.  Then driving very slowly to WHF, rather than rushing over.

Upon arriving at WHF he made no attempt to go within 50 feet of WHF. Unwilling to attempt to restrain and calm down Sheila as Neville hoped/expected. He failed to tell the police he knew of ways inside WHF.

Perhaps Jeremy was scared and confused. Which is understandable. Neville obviously felt he would be brave and focused, willing to risk his own life and attempt to save his family. Although Neville would have to leave the front door open for Jeremy, something he did not do.

Jeremy also had a very poor relationship with Sheila. Telling the police she would not be pleased to see him and saying several distasteful things to the police about her.  Admitting himself decades later he did not understand her illness. Surely Neville knew this. He was both their father.

Neville was not stupid and  knew Jeremy better than anyone. Why do people believe Neville made such a bad judgement call in such a serious situation at 3am ?

The bad judgement would have been to leave the phone off the hook TWICE! If we accept what is being claimed at the moment - Neville called Jeremy at about 03:10, could only have been on the phone a few seconds when the phone 'went dead'. Jeremy tries to call back but it's engaged. The phone must have been off the hook because (according to the OS), Neville didn't call the police until 03:26 (16 minutes later). So why would the phone be off the hook? He MUST have re-engaged it 16 minutes later when he (allegedly) called the police but for some reason when the call was over, he left the phone off the hook again because when the line was tested (after Jeremy called at 03:36 (allegedly) - the phone was confirmed as being 'off the hook'. The whole phone call story falls flat on it's backside because the timings just don't fit and neither does the notion that the phone would be engaged in between a call to Jeremy and police, and then again, after calling police.

[Adam]

If the call went dead, as Jeremy claims, does that not mean Neville cut off the call ? Usually when you cut off the call, the phone is put back on the hook. So why couldn't Jeremy ring back if the phone is back on the hook ? Neville was not ringing anyone else for 16 minutes.

If Neville just put his hand on the receiver to cut off the call, leaving the phone off the hook after ringing Jeremy, then he did the same thing 16 minutes later after ringing the police. Doing it twice is very surprising.

On both occasions it would have been in Neville's best interests to put the phone back on the hook. So people can ring back.

[Caroline]

If the call went dead, as Jeremy claims, does that not mean Neville cut off the call ? Usually when you cut off the call, the phone is put back on the hook. So why couldn't Jeremy ring back if the phone is back on the hook ? Neville was not ringing anyone else for 16 minutes.

If Neville just put his hand on the receiver to cut off the call, leaving the phone off the hook after ringing Jeremy, then he did the same thing 16 minutes later after ringing the police. Doing it twice is very surprising.

On both occasions it would have been in Neville's best interests to put the phone back on the hook. So people can ring back.

I've just said that!!

[Adam]

It is very surprising that Neville cut the call off to Jeremy so abruptly. After only saying ten words. And then left the phone off the hook so Jeremy could not ring back.  He had decided to ring Jeremy to resolve the situation.

Neville had time to express himself to Jeremy if he wanted to. Sheila was not uncontrollable at this time as Neville had time to ring the police 16 minutes later.

[Patti]

When statements have been adjusted to reflect the sequence of calls it becomes debatable, also suspicious.

JM tells us in her first statement that she was called about 3:30 then in a later statement it was 3:15.  The crowns cases was that it was 3:00.
 
No matter how you look at this we have 30 minutes of guess work.

[Adam]

When statements have been adjusted to reflect the sequence of calls it becomes debatable, also suspicious.

JM tells us in her first statement that she was called about 3:30 then in a later statement it was 3:15.  The crowns cases was that it was 3:00.
 
No matter how you look at this we have 30 minutes of guess work.

3.00am, 3.15am or 3.30am, all these times are before his 3.36am call to the police. Although he is saying he phoned Julie after the police.

His 3.36am call is also 26 minutes after Neville's 3.10am call to Jeremy according to his WS. Upon which he 'immediately phoned the police' according to his WS.

Claiming that Neville called the police has done Jeremy more harm than good.

[Caroline]

When statements have been adjusted to reflect the sequence of calls it becomes debatable, also suspicious.

JM tells us in her first statement that she was called about 3:30 then in a later statement it was 3:15.  The crowns cases was that it was 3:00.
 
No matter how you look at this we have 30 minutes of guess work.

It doesn't matter what JM says - were talking about what Jeremy says and it doesn't add up. His times are the one's that SHOULD add up IF he's innocent and he shouldn't NEED to change times at a later stage because there is only one truth, it doesn't alter just because you think you might have found a loop hole years later!

[Adam]

It seems there are two questions -

What was Sheila doing when Neville called Jeremy ?

What was Sheila doing when Neville called the police ?


He told Jeremy Sheila had 'gone crazy and got the gun'. And to 'come quickly'.  But he was then able to phone the police 16 minutes later.

[Jane]

It seems there are two questions -

What was Sheila doing when Neville called Jeremy ?

What was Sheila doing when Neville called the police ?


He told Jeremy Sheila had 'gone crazy and got the gun'. And to 'come quickly'.  But he was then able to phone the police 16 minutes later.

Adam, there is no need to embellish. According to Jeremy's WS, Nevill's words were "Sheila has gone crazy. She's got (hold of?) a gun". He DOESN'T say "come quickly."

[Adam]

Adam, there is no need to embellish. According to Jeremy's WS, Nevill's words were "Sheila has gone crazy. She's got (hold of?) a gun". He DOESN'T say "come quickly."

Well other sources say Neville said 'come quickly'.

It does seem strange that a half asleep Jeremy should answer the phone at 3.10am and only hear eight words -'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. With no request or instruction.

Neville had time to express himself , as he did 16 minutes later when phoning Chelmsford. Or Neville could have called Jeremy back.

[Jane]

"No matter how you look at this we have 30 minutes of guesswork." I suspect that over all, there are many MORE minutes, but guess work is ALL there is and I doubt that it would count as the new evidence required to get Jeremy a re-trial.

[Adam]

There is no guesswork.

Everything is clear from Jeremy,  which we have to go by -

Neville's call to Jeremy     -  3.10am.

Neville's call to the police   - 3.26am.

Jeremy's call to the police  - 3.36am.

Jeremy's call to Julie           - Between 3.42am - 3.45am.

[Jane]

Well other sources say Neville said 'come quickly'.

It does seem strange that a half asleep Jeremy should answer the phone at 3.10am and only hear eight words -'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. With no request or instruction.

Neville had time to express himself , as he did 16 minutes later when phoning Chelmsford. Or Neville could have called Jeremy back.

Well, Jeremy's WS DOESN'T and as you're the one who so frequently refers to the wording of them, I suggest you quote ONLY what is in them, if only to prevent more myths occurring. Just because YOU think strange the words we are told Nevill said, it doesn't give you the right to change them to the one's YOU deem appropriate.