Did Jeremy phone Witham police station ?

[Adam]

Policemen testified Jeremy told them on the massacre night, he phoned Witham police station. But got no answer. Jeremy has never denied saying this on the night.

However when testifying he said he did not phone Witham police station.

The judge rightly poured scorn on this in his summing up.

One thing is for sure, Witham police station said they received no phone call from Jeremy. However Chelmsford police station got through to Witham police station straight away. Straight after Jeremy's alleged unanswered call.

Either the police are lying, or Bamber did tell them he had phoned Witham police station. Probably to justify why he was phoning Chelmsford police station, which was over 20 miles away and the fith nearest police station to WHF.

It is likely that Bamber volunteered this information to the police on the massacre night. The police are hardly likely to say 'why are you calling us ?'

If he didn't phone Witham but told them he had, it must have been part of his plan. Perhaps police cars despatched from Chelmsford are more likely to pick up Jeremy from his cottage on their long drive to WHF. Enhancing his alibi attempt.

I know he was in panic after Neville's call, but he must know who he had phoned a few minutes earlier. Which makes him denying it under oath, strange.

Perhaps he got inside knowledge pre trial that the Witham police station phone was manned all that night. So saying he called would just be proved to be wrong.

Either way he is in a tangle, which is probably why he does not mention it now. Either what he said on the night or at court is a lie, as they can't both be true.

There is nothing on the Official Site on this. Be good to know Bamber's stance now.

[Mr. Gee]

Policemen testified Jeremy told them on the massacre night, he phoned Witham police station. But got no answer. Jeremy has never denied saying this on the night.

However when testifying he said he did not phone Witham police station.

The judge rightly poured scorn on this in his summing up.

One thing is for sure, Witham police station said they received no phone call from Jeremy. However Chelmsford police station got through to Witham police station straight away. Straight after Jeremy's alleged unanswered call.

Either the police are lying, or Bamber did tell them he had phoned Witham police station. Probably to justify why he was phoning Chelmsford police station, which was over 20 miles away and the forth nearest police station to WHF.

It is likely that Bamber volunteered this information to the police on the massacre night. The police are hardly likely to say 'why are you calling us ?'

If he didn't phone Witham but told them he had, it must have been part of his plan. Perhaps police cars despatched from Chelmsford are more likely to pick up Jeremy from his cottage on their long drive to WHF. Enhancing his alibi attempt.

I know he was in panic after Neville's call, but he must know who he had phoned a few minutes earlier. Which makes him denying it under oath, strange.

Perhaps he got inside knowledge pre trial that the Witham police station phone was manned all that night. So saying he called would just be proved to be wrong.

Either way he is in a tangle, which is probably why he does not mention it now. Either what he said on the night or at court is a lie, as they can't both be true.

There is nothing on the Official Site on this. Be good to know Bamber's stance now.

Hello Adam. Why not write to him? That way you will get his own answer so you may be able to make a better assessment of the matter. He will write back.

[Adam]

Well Caroline, Jackie and Lookout said they are in contact with him. So maybe they know.

Why do you think he said two different things on the night and at trial ?

The only explanation he can give now is that on the night he did not tell the police he phoned Witham. Meaning two policemen lied on oath.

[Adam]

Time/Miles as per AA route planner to Tolleshunt D'Arcy:

                          Minutes:                Miles:

Chelmsford      0.39                         21.1
Maldon             0.20                         7.2
Tiptree              0.10                         3.8
Witham             0.27                        11.1


The other options    -                        999
                                                            Call relatives.
                                                            Call the Foakes's.
                                                            Go 'quickly' to WHF alone.

It does seem strange that he ended up speaking to Chelmsford. The main explanation being that he was trying to delay things as much as possible.
                           

[Mr. Gee]

Well Caroline, Jackie and Lookout said they are in contact with him. So maybe they know.

Why do you think he said two different things on the night and at trial ?

The only explanation he can give now is that on the night he did not tell the police he phoned Witham. Meaning two policemen lied on oath.

As I suggested, write to him. I'm sure he will give you more information in order to write deeper threads?

[Adam]

As I suggested, write to him. I'm sure he will give you more information in order to write deeper threads?

Thank you for the advice Grahame. I am not sure what you mean about deep threads. Two of you're last three have been about me and a cat.

I might have to do take you're advice. Similar to his 3am call to Julie,  Jeremy has not mentioned this in the last 30 years. Although it may have influenced the jury. The judge pouring scorn on the change of stance from Jeremy.

My last post showed he had eight other options. All better options in my view. Or he could have used a combination of options. Such as ring the Foakes's and relatives. Or dial 999 and then 'come quickly' as Neville requested. Rather than waste 26 minutes at his cottage.

Why do you think he told police on the massacre night he had phoned Witham. Then under oath he said he didn't ?

[Jane]

Time/Miles as per AA route planner to Tolleshunt D'Arcy:

                          Minutes:                Miles:

Chelmsford      0.39                         21.1
Maldon             0.20                         7.2
Tiptree              0.10                         3.8
Witham             0.27                        11.1


The other options    -                        999
                                                            Call relatives.
                                                            Call the Foakes's.
                                                            Go 'quickly' to WHF alone.

It does seem strange that he ended up speaking to Chelmsford. The main explanation being that he was trying to delay things as much as possible.
                           

Adam. I'm sure those facts are correct, but distance from police stations to WHF is almost irrelevant. It is HIGHLY doubtful that all available police cars were sitting in a police garage waiting for a "shout." ANY one of the stations called would have immediately put calls out for attendence, from the nearest vehicle to the vicinity of WHF.

[Adam]

Adam. I'm sure those facts are correct, but distance from police stations to WHF is almost irrelevant. It is HIGHLY doubtful that all available police cars were sitting in a police garage waiting for a "shout." ANY one of the stations called would have immediately put calls out for attendence, from the nearest vehicle to the vicinity of WHF.

Was there a 118 118 type service available then ? If he was going to phone the forth furthest police station from WHF, would it not be quicker to use that service than look in a phone book.

Bamber would not know what police stations had cars available. However he would know what the nearest police stations were.

[Jane]

Was there a 118 118 type service available then ? If he was going to phone the forth furthest police station from WHF, would it not be quicker to use that service.

You've made a VERY valid point. There was a 24 hour service called Directory Enquiries - I THINK it was 150- and they would probably have connected him to the relevant police station. Failing that he could have called the operator on 100.

[Mr. Gee]

Thank you for the advice Grahame. I am not sure what you mean about deep threads. Two of you're last three have been about me and a cat.

I might have to do take you're advice. Similar to his 3am call to Julie,  Jeremy has not mentioned this in the last 30 years. Although it may have influenced the jury. The judge pouring scorn on the change of stance from Jeremy.

My last post showed he had eight other options. All better options in my view. Or he could have used a combination of options. Such as ring the Foakes's and relatives. Or dial 999 and then 'come quickly' as Neville requested. Rather than waste 26 minutes at his cottage.

Why do you think he told police on the massacre night he had phoned Witham. Then under oath he said he didn't ?

No. My last thread was about why Bamber would take the sights off the rifle and the one before that was about Mugford's ignorance concerning the two shots to Sheila.
I really don't know why you would miss out on an opportunity to speak to Bamber himself, straight from the horses mouth so to speak? It doesn't make sense. You are always asking for sources and there is a fantastic opportunity to go to the source itself.

[Adam]

You've made a VERY valid point. There was a 24 hour service called Directory Enquiries - I THINK it was 150- and they would probably have connected him to the relevant police station. Failing that he could have called the operator on 100.

With nine better options he had to tell the police on the night why he chose number nine. Hence, the 'I phoned Witham' claim.

[Mr. Gee]

With nine better options he had to tell the police on the night why he chose number nine. Hence, the 'I phoned Witham' claim.

Probably to show his disgust in them making him wait on the phone for so long?

[Jane]

With nine better options he had to tell the police on the night why he chose number nine. Hence, the 'I phoned Witham' claim.

But he could equally well have told them he phoned DE or the operator. There would have been little difference in the timing AND it could have been proved.

[Mr. Gee]

But he could equally well have told them he phoned DE or the operator. There would have been little difference in the timing AND it could have been proved.

It appears to me that being proved wasn't on his mind that night. He just needed to get hold of some coppers who were at their desks and not sopping tea as the probably were at Witham that night?

[Adam]

If he had phoned Witham via DE then there may well have been proof he was put through to Witham. And that no one answered.

All we have now is two police men who testified that Jeremy told them he had phoned Witham. And Jeremy testifying a year later he didn't phone Witham.