Poor you Jan. So sad to hear that they're both hoarders which is a problem. I know a lady who's a hoarder and I was talking to her health nurse not so long ago,who'd found a fortune stuffed inside sweet and crisp wrappers,empty food tins and the odd mouse running around. This lady has a " thing " about stuffing her money everywhere,so the nurse has to go through the heaps of newspapers systematically to make sure that there isn't any money between the pages. I believe the woman is an absolute delight as well,poor thing. The nurse/health-worker disposes of everything a bit at a time so as not to cause upset.