June Bamber, did not attend bible class evening before she was killed...

[Jan]

Likewise - in reverse, naturally.

Me too Alias

[Alias]

So if he did it, he had to shoot her twice! 

How did I know you would say that?- I must be a psychic!

You want to win the discussion by making me admit that it would be possible that he shot her twice, then staged a suicide.
I have to stick to what I have said all along: I find that highly unlikely. When I think about this aspect of the case, well, the whole scene surrounding Sheila, I always conclude that Jeremy did not do it.

[Alias]

Well both Colin and Freddie hinted at this as well, so it was not entirely according to Bamber.

That´s right - I was going to say that, but forgot. Thanks.

[Adam]

perhaps there were no better options- because he did not do it?

As we asked you before where was Jeremy positioned when he shot her twice and how did he persuade her just to sit there or lie there without instinctively putting her hands out to stop the shots or turn her head away.

You have asked me before and I have answered.

[Jane]

How did I know you would say that?- I must be a psychic!

You want to win the discussion by making me admit that it would be possible that he shot her twice, then staged a suicide.
I have to stick to what I have said all along: I find that highly unlikely. When I think about this aspect of the case, well, the whole scene surrounding Sheila, I always conclude that Jeremy did not do it.

So what do YOU think happened? Did she manage to shoot herself twice and hide the silencer OR do you go with (ANY) one of Mike's scenarios?

[Jan]

Bambers claim is that Sheila shot herself twice.

So why shouldn't a murderer need two shots ?

Sorry I am not getting your logic - we know  IF he did it he needed two shots . The discussion was would it make him change his plan about the call and standing next to the police because there is no way he would have known two shot suicides were possible - so it was a big error if it was him.

so all you have established is Sheila could have shot her self twice - established by the experts anyway .

[Alias]

Do you think he's innocent because you do not believe he would attempt the murder/suicide frame after shooting Sheila twice ?

That is what you mention most.

The whole "scene" surrounding Sheila in the bedroom - as I said in my post above. The blood pattern on her, the fact she was in there at all, the position Jeremy would have had to be in to shoot her - all the odd details surrounding Sheila.

[Mr. Gee]

Bambers claim is that Sheila shot herself twice.

So why shouldn't a murderer need two shots ?

Was it Bamber who claimed that, or was it that the police found that she had been shot twice?
In fact we are all assuming that the first shot was the one that went into her neck at right angles and that the second shot was the fatal shot?
But there is a third option (of course there is not evidence for it) that Sheila actually shot herself dead and that shot was the one that went into the brain. But the second shot was made by accident by the police? Of course it is only speculation.

[Jan]

So what do YOU think happened? Did she manage to shoot herself twice and hide the silencer OR do you go with (ANY) one of Mike's scenarios?

I think even some of the guilters don't believe the silencer was used .

[Adam]

How did I know you would say that?- I must be a psychic!

You want to win the discussion by making me admit that it would be possible that he shot her twice, then staged a suicide.
I have to stick to what I have said all along: I find that highly unlikely. When I think about this aspect of the case, well, the whole scene surrounding Sheila, I always conclude that Jeremy did not do it.

Do you think Sheila went into an unbelievable 3am rage. Murdering (& beating) men woman and children. Loading guns like a pro.

Poor Neville ringing Jeremy in the middle of it. Yes ringing Jeremy !

Then there is the triple frame...

[Alias]

So what do YOU think happened? Did she manage to shoot herself twice and hide the silencer OR do you go with (ANY) one of Mike's scenarios?

No (sorry, Mike  ), I don´t go with Mike´s scenarios.
I don´t think the silencer was used. I think she died where she was found. I think it is likely she shot herself - twice.

[Adam]

Sorry I am not getting your logic - we know  IF he did it he needed two shots . The discussion was would it make him change his plan about the call and standing next to the police because there is no way he would have known two shot suicides were possible - so it was a big error if it was him.

so all you have established is Sheila could have shot her self twice - established by the experts anyway .

Change his plan to what ?

After shooting June 8 times and Neville getting downstairs after being shot four times, he assumed Sheila needing two shots would be plausible. He was right as two shot suicides have happened.

It was a gun for shooting vermin.

[Jane]

No (sorry, Mike  ), I don´t go with Mike´s scenarios.
I don´t think the silencer was used. I think she died where she was found. I think it is likely she shot herself - twice.

It must have taken her an AGE to position the length of the rifle at a suitable angle  AND get her finger on the trigger. Difficult enough to do once but to do it twice is beyond MY imagination.

[Adam]

No (sorry, Mike  ), I don´t go with Mike´s scenarios.
I don´t think the silencer was used. I think she died where she was found. I think it is likely she shot herself - twice.

Do you agree with CC that she would have shot herself with the twins ?

[Alias]

It must have taken her an AGE to position the length of the rifle at a suitable angle  AND get her finger on the trigger. Difficult enough to do once but to do it twice is beyond MY imagination.

Sheila is not the only one to have shot herself with a rifle. It would only have been too long with the silencer attached. - And then it wasn´t anyway - Mike had all those photos of a girl of Sheila´s height being able to reach the trigger with the silencer attached; but I don´t think it was used, so it is irrelevant.